by pyuser583
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- I have kids and try very hard to keep them from inappropriate material online.
The real dangers aren’t dedicated porn sites, but poorly managed social media sites. You can’t just block the domain.
In many cases, the bad material comes from peers. Kids have always talked about “bad” things, but the internet super charges it.
I generally support these efforts, but I’m also very cynical they help.
Politicians focus on the problems they control, like rules for sites that rigorously follow the laws and fit in a clear category. They care far less about the grey areas where the most harm is often done.
I think this is a good thing. I’d feel a lot better if these efforts were combined with rigorous privacy protections.
For example, third party identity verification services should be civilly liable for privacy breeches, and required to carry insurance to meet the obligations.
by stego-tech
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- What's worse is that combined with the ruling in Mahmoud v Taylor, age verification can now be justified against anything considered "adult" or "pornographic" in nature - including LGBTQ+ storybooks, information on abortion or sexual health, discussion about HIV, or even just political dissidence if a state wants to reach particularly far. "Adult content" is nebulous and vague on purpose, and one party is taking advantage of that to attack minority groups and undesirables.
The point isn't to defend sex work (though you absolutely should), it's that sex workers are just the first targets when it comes to authoritarian change like this. They're the canaries in the coal mines of free speech, and the fact they're screaming in venues like Wired or Hacker News should really give everyone cause for concern that their stuff is next, unless things change.
And on the topic of parenting, look, I hate to be that dinosaur, but age verification doesn't stop minors from accessing adult content: competent, aware adults do, or at the very least put things into context when mistakes happen. As a child of the 80s-2000s who was effectively babysat by technology in some form, STOP DOING THAT. It's bad for the kids, it's bad for the parent-child relationship, and it's offloading your responsibilities as a parent to other adults and entities who did not consent to accepting them. It's about acknowledging that you won't be able to shield them completely for harm, and preparing to put things into a healthy context when mistakes do happen rather than demanding everyone else be punished just so you can avoid temporary awkwardness. We don't need tighter laws in the name of protecting kids, we need parents to do so - and build a society where at least one parent is always accessible to children to oversee their development. It means building technology that puts parental needs above profit motives, creating software that's quick and efficient to force children off apps and back into the real world, rather than turning them into mindless zombies watching videos all day.
Laws punishing consenting adults to "protect kids" are ineffective at their stated goals, but highly effective at punishing threats to a given regime. It's why fascists and authoritarians weaponize sex so early in their regime change: it's all about control in the most intimate way, to normalize its creep elsewhere.
by GameOfKnowing
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- Hey— performer & small site owner here. Most of the hypothetical cases in the media (and these comments) relate to Pornhub, OF, etc— companies that definitely can afford to implement age verification even if it hurts their bottom line. This totally misses the vast majority of porn sites that are very small, operate on licensed technology that may not even be maintained, and would have their ~low-5-digit annual income nuked by the cost of compliance. In these cases, geo-blocking states one by one as they implement these laws becomes the only option. Yeah VPNs exist, but HN users faaaaar over-estimate the technical knowledge & ability of the average American used to having the net served to them on a silver platter.
- Would it not be reasonable and safe and private to implement age verification through login.gov? An Oauth implementation that knows your identity and age can produce a verifiable token that attests your age but not identity. The only way your identity would leak would be if both the porn site and the oauth retain the tokens (which they would both claim not to do else no one would use this), and the attacker gets access to both.
I know it's unlikely to happen because of America's (misguided IMO) extreme distaste for digital government ID, but it seems like the current solution (people uploading pictures of their driver's license to porn websites) is worse in every possible way.
by daft_pink
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- I’m curious if Apple Wallet will provide a framework for future privacy protecting age verification nationwide after securing the ability to load US Passports into Apple Wallet, since Driver’s licenses in Apple Wallet is such a patchwork and they seem to be a trusted method of doing verification without submitting your information to some sketchy porn website.
by WarOnPrivacy
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- A note on what the future will look like and how we'll get there.
[Justice] Thomas’s invention of “partially protected” speech,
that somehow means you can burden those for which it
is protected, is particularly insidious because
it’s infinitely expandable. Any time the government wants
to burden speech, it can simply argue that the burden is built
into the right itself—making First Amendment protection
vanish exactly when it’s needed most.
This isn’t constitutional interpretation;
it’s constitutional gerrymandering.
ref: https://www.techdirt.com/2025/06/27/the-conservatives-on-the...
- So how broad is this?
Can a state now require you to verify your age and identity to read a newspaper they don't like?
by silverquiet
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- I'm a Texan and can't say I'm particularly a fan of the state politics or the current US Supreme Court, but at the same time, I can't say that this law particularly bothers me. I don't have children, and so I don't know if I can really understand what parents are dealing with in trying to ensure that their children are kept away from undesirable material, but it does seem rather difficult; I certainly don't envy them.
- Banning kids from using social media would probably have a much more significant positive impact on their mental development. Obviously kids browsing Pornhub is not a good thing, but sites like TikTok expose them to much more traumatizing violent material, and of course turns them into quick dopamine-seeking zombies that are glued to their smartphones.
Frankly speaking, even for underage teenagers the most harmful thing about porn is the potential for addiction, not the content itself.
by codedokode
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- If you visit P*Hub from Russia, it requires you to authorize though Vk (Russian superior Facebook clone) to use the site, maybe because of this it is not blocked unlike other similar sites. I wonder what they do with this data.
by heythere22
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- https://archive.is/9DGKM
by 0cf8612b2e1e
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- So, buy stock in VPNs?
by inverted_flag
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- Oh boy, I can’t wait until I have to submit my government id to some random “age verification” provider just so I can read Oglaf.
- Next step is to outlaw VPNs
by 2OEH8eoCRo0
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- As they should. What's unconstitutional about the law?
- This will just drive people to non-compliant foreign sites. They just killed their own adult industry, who is gonna take their business and taxes elsewhere
by knowitnone
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- as I've said before, if you block legal porn sites, people will find other ways of getting porn which will expose them to and prolierate illegal porn. This is not a good law.
- So just produce three-fourths AI-generated non-adult irrelevant material, and segregate it enough to not harm regular user activity. Got it.
- Not the first time porn has come up on here:
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30441276
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25418862
by Workaccount2
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- I'm more interested in the downsides of not having ID verification. We have an entire generation of humans raised with effectively no verification going back 30 years now. So what is the data? Why is a high barrier so important that every adult has to annoyingly climb over it with all sorts of friction?
by tristan957
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- Somehow you have to provide an ID to watch porn in Texas, but a 10 year old kid can go to specs.com and just lie about their age and view imagery of a controlled substance. My wine club just delivers wine without verifying my ID, so a 10 year old child could just do the same with a parent's credit card.
I don't understand how this makes sense.
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by Am4TIfIsER0ppos
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by cigaredforlife
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- You already have to show ID to see rated-R movies in the US. I don't see how this is any different.
- This, of course, will result in massive data breaches exposing white male "christian" Texas politicians/porn users, and much laughter and merriment. VPNs will do a good business, too.