by tester756
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- https://www.phoronix.com/review/intel-arc-pro-b50-linux
>Overall the Intel Arc Pro B50 was at 1.47x the performance of the NVIDIA RTX A1000 with that mix of OpenGL, Vulkan, and OpenCL/Vulkan compute workloads both synthetic and real-world tests. That is just under Intel's own reported Windows figures of the Arc Pro B50 delivering 1.6x the performance of the RTX A1000 for graphics and 1.7x the performance of the A1000 for AI inference. This is all the more impressive when considering the Arc Pro B50 price of $349+ compared to the NVIDIA RTX A1000 at $420+.
- Really confused why the Intel and AMD both continue to struggle and yet still refuse to offer what Nvidia wont, i.e. high ram consumer GPUs. I'd much prefer paying 3x cost for 3x VRAM (48GB/$1047), 6x cost for 6x VRAM (96GB/$2094), 12x cost for 12x VRAM (192GB/$4188), etc.
They'd sell like hotcakes and software support would quickly improve.
At 16GB I'd still prefer to pay a premium for NVidia GPUs given its superior ecosystem, I really want to get off NVidia but Intel/AMD isn't giving me any reason to.
by wewewedxfgdf
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- The new CEO of Intel has said that Intel is giving up competing with Nvidia.
Why would you bother with any Intel product with an attitude like that, gives zero confidence in the company. What business is Intel in, if not competing with Nvidia and AMD. Is it giving up competing with AMD too?
- A feature I haven't seen someone comment about yet is Project Battlematrix [1][2] with these cards, this allows for multi-GPU AI orchestration. A feature Nvidia offers for enterprise AI workloads (Run:ai), but Intel is bringing this to consumers
1. https://youtu.be/iM58i3prTIU?si=JnErLQSHpxU-DlPP&t=225
2. https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/developer/articles/t...
by jazzyjackson
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- Huh, I didn't realize these were just released, I came across it looking for a GPU that had AV1 hardware encoding and been putting a shopping cart together for a mini-ITX xeon server for all my ffmpeg shenanigans.
I like to Buy American when I can but it's hard to find out which fabs various CPUs and GPUs are made in. I read Kingston does some RAM here and Crucial some SSDs. Maybe the silicon is fabbed here but everything I found is "assembled in Taiwan", which made me feel like I should get my dream machine sooner rather than later
by dale_glass
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- What about the B60, with the 24GB VRAM?
Also, do these support SR-IOV, as in handing slices of the GPU to virtual machines?
- GPUs prices really surprise me. Most PC part prices have remained the same over the decades with storage and RAM actually getting cheaper. GPUs however have gotten extremely expensive. $350 used to get you a really good GPU about 20 years ago, I think top of the line was around $450-500--now it only gets you entry level. Top of the line is now $1500+!
by syntaxing
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- Kinda bummed that it’s $50 more than originally said. But if it works well, a single slot card that can be powered by the PCIe slot is super valuable. Hoping there will be some affordable prebuilds so I can run some MoE LLM models.
- Good pricing for 16gb vram. Can see that finding a use for some home servers.
by littlecranky67
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- I am confused as a lot of comments here seem to argue around gaming, but isn't this supposed to be a workstation card, hence not intended to be used for games? The phoronix review also seems to only focus on computing usage, not gaming.
by bitmasher9
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- It’s interesting that it uses 4 Display Ports and not a single HDMI.
Is HDMI seen as a “gaming” feature, or is DP seen as a “workstation” interface? Ultimately HDMI is a brand that commands higher royalties than DP, so I suspect this decision was largely chosen to minimize costs. I wonder what percentage of the target audience has HDMI only displays.
- I really wonder who this is for?
It's not competing with amd/nvidia at twice the price on terms of performance, but it's also too expensive for a cheap gaming rig. And then there are people who are happy with integrated graphics.
Maybe I'm just lacking imagination here, I don't do anything fancy on my work and couch laptops and I have a proper gaming PC.
- I really hope Intel continues with GPUs or the GPU market is doomed until China catches up, Nvidia produces good products with great software, best in industry really, with great length support, but that doesn't excuse them from monopolistic practices. The fact that AMD refuses to compete really makes it look like this entire thing is organized from the top (US government).
This reminds me a lot of the LLM craze and how they wanted to charge so much for simple usage at the start until China released deepseek. Ideally we shouldn't rely on China but do we have a choice? the entire US economy has become reliant on monopolies to keep their insanely high stock prices and profit margins
- Another advantage of Intel GPU is vGPU SR-IOV, while consumer video cards of NVIDIA and AMD didn't support it. But even the integrated GPU of N100, N97 support it[1],
Therefore I can install Proxmox VE and run multiple VMs, assigning a vGPU to each of them a for video transcoding (IPCam NVR), AI and other applications.
https://github.com/Upinel/PVE-Intel-vGPU
- If you buy Intel Arc cards for their competitive video encoding/decoding capabilities, it appears that all of them are still capped at 8 parallel streams. The "B" series have more headroom at high resolutions and bitrates, on the other hand some "A" series cards need only a single PCIe slot so you can stick more of them into a single server.
- How does it compare to an RTX 5060 ti with 16 gigabytes of VRAM?
- I'm glad Intel is continuing to make GPUs, really. But ultimately it seems like an uphill battle against a very entrenched monopoly with a software and community moat that was built up over nearly 20 years at this point. I wonder what it will take to break through.
- Is there a way to get acceptable performance out of these without resizable BAR now? To retromod older business desktops.
by mixmastamyk
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- Compact? Looks about a foot long and two slots wide. Not abnormal but not what I’d call compact either.
- When will we see Intel Flex datacenter cards that do not have the 8 stream limit based on the Xe2 "battlemage" architecture?
All current Intel Flex cards seem to be based on the previous gen "Xe".
- With the power being 70W from the connector only, how feasible is it to have 3 per server and have effectively 48GB VRAM for tasks?
- > 16 GB of GDDR6 VRAM
I would happily buy 96 Gb for $3490, but this makes very little sense.
- How is the software support side for AI work with this card?
- Will Intel even be around in a few years to support this thing, especially in software? They seem to be in their death spasms...
- Not bad with 16 GB VRAM, a bit disappointing on performance though, looking at the Blender 3D (open source) benchmarks: https://opendata.blender.org/benchmarks/query/?compute_type=...
It clocks in at 1503.4 samples per second, behind the NVidia RTX 2060 (1590.93 samples / sec, released Jan 2019), AMD Radeon RX 6750 XT (1539, May 2022), and Apple M3 Pro GPU 14 cores (1651.85, Oct 2023).
Note that this perf comparison is just ray-tracing rendering, useful for games, but might give some clarity on performance comparisons with its competition.
- The upside with this is support for SR-IOV
- > 224 GB/s of effective bandwidth
- ... but how's video game compatibility with Intel these days?
I have this cool and quiet fetish so 70 W is making me extremely interested. IF it also works as a gaming GPU.
- I really think Intel is on the right track to dethrone both AMD and NVIDIA, while also competing with ARM SoCs. It's fascinating to watch.
Both their integrated and dedicated GPUs have been steadily improving each generation. The Arc line is both cheaper and comparable in performance to more premium NVIDIA cards. The 140T/140V iGPUs do the same to AMD APUs. Their upcoming Panther Lake and Nova Lake architectures seem promising, and will likely push this further. Meanwhile, they're also more power efficient and cooler, to the point where Apple's lead with their ARM SoCs is not far off. Sure, the software ecosystem is not up to par with the competition yet, but that's a much easier problem to solve, and they've been working on that front as well.
I'm holding off on buying a new laptop for a while just to see how this plays out. But I really like how Intel is shaking things up, and not allowing the established players to rest on their laurels.
by iamleppert
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- 16 GB? What a joke!
by DrNosferatu
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- Now launch models with 32GB and 64GB VRAM for those fat LLMs.
by mananaysiempre
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- A $350 “workstation” GPU with 16 GB of VRAM? I... guess, but is that really enough for the kinds of things that would have you looking for workstation-level GPUs in the first place?
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