- I've been keeping an eye on this space for awhile as it matures a bit further. There's been a number of startups that have popped up around this - apart from Temporal and DBOS, Hatchet.run looked interesting.
I've been using BullMQ for awhile with distributed workers across K8 and have hacked together what I need, but a lightweight DAG of some sort on Postgres would be great.
I took a brief look at your docs. What would you say is the main difference of yours vs some of the other options? Just the simplicity of it being a single sql file and a sdk wrapper? Sorry if the docs answer this already - trying to take a quick look between work.
- Wow. Everything old is new again. I built a business state machine for a bespoke application using Oracle 8i and their stateful queues back in 2005. I had re-architected a batch-driven application (which couldn't scale temporally i.e. we had a bunch of CPU sitting near idle for a lot of the time), and turned it into an event driven solution. CPU usage became almost a horizontal line, saving us lots of money as we scaled (for the record, "scale" for this solution was writing 5M records a day into a partitioned table where we kept 13 months of data online, and then billed on it). Durable execution was just one of the many benefits we got out of this architecture. Love it.
- Somebody said this the other day on HN, but we really are living in the golden age of Postgres.
- FYI. Highway DSL now fully supports Absurd. Specs: https://github.com/rodmena-limited/highway_dsl/blob/main/spe...
- Armin, I managed to review absurd.sql and the migrations. I am so impressed that I am rewriting the state management of my workflow engine with Absurd. Just wanted to thank you for sharing it with us. I'll keep you posted of the outcome.
- This is pretty great! The main thing you need for durable execution is 1) retries (absurd does this) 2) idempotency (absurd does this via steps - but would be better handled with the APIs themselves being idempotent, then not using steps. Though absurd would certainly _help_ mitigate some APIs not being idempotent, but not completely).
by stevefan1999
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- Did anyone have a new approach to do this kind of transactional workflow? I heard that Saga patterns also define invertibility as well but I want a more general framework that also does all of this in one.
Also, I noticed how durable execution actually have so much to do with Continuation-passing style, is my intuition correct?
- I think it's a brilliant idea. Absurd can be a very good match to highway_dsl as well (which is a domain-specific-language, for workflows)
https://github.com/rodmena-limited/highway_dsl?tab=readme-ov...
- In what sense are these durable, given that they restart from the beginning if the server process crashes?
- Really cool! How does it compare to DBOS ? https://docs.dbos.dev/architecture
- Restate was built for agents before agents were cool.
Surprisingly haven take off yet when agents is all we are looking for now.
by andrewstuart
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- Reminder that Postgres does not have a monopoly on SKIP LOCKED
You can do that in Oracle, SQL server and MySQL too.
In fact you might be able to replicate what Armin is doing with SQLite because it too works just fine as a queue though no via SKIP LOCKED.
- Other question: why reimplementing your framework, rather than using an existing agent framework like Claude + MCP, or OpenAI + tool calling? Is it because you're using your own LM models, or just because you wanted more control on retries, etc?
by crabmusket
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- Not to be confused with https://github.com/jlongster/absurd-sql (note the hyphenation)
- Durable execution paired with an unpredictable text generator? Sign me up! /s
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