- > The fact that people are unimpressed that we can have a fluent conversation with a super smart AI that can generate any image/video is mindblowing to me.
It's not that people are unimpressed with AI - they're just tired of constantly being bombarded with it, and it sneaking its way into where it's not wanted.
"Generate any image you want!" "Analyse this thing with AI!" gets pretty tiring.
If I want AI I'll actively seek it out and use it - otherwise, jog on.
by ckozlowski
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- This Microsoft response reminds me of the 2018 Blizzcon event, where the Diablo Immortal developer challenged the audience with "Do you guys not have phones?" when the audience asked if the game was coming to PC.
Then - like now - it seemed that they couldn't understand that what they made was not what their customers wanted.
by chadcmulligan
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- A quote I saw today: "Maybe AI seems like a creative solution, if you aren't a creative person.", seems to explain a lot of this maybe.
Edit: Found the source: https://www.eurogamer.net/maybe-ai-is-a-creative-solution-if...
by aleph_minus_one
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- But why integrate AI so deeply into Windows instead of
1. keeping Windows as small and lean as possible, and let it do the things an operating system is for,
2. offering some AI applications that can be installed optionally by the users who want them, i.e. turn their AI applications into external software that can be installed/used or not, like Microsoft Office.
- AI failed at Microsoft because they already lost the consumer trust. I doubt they would have this issue with AI integration if people didn’t feel that installing windows is a hostile corporate takeover of your computer.
by vivzkestrel
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- Dear mr microsoft AI CEO, why dont you pass my message to the higher ups will ya? Make a decent operating system that runs on modern hardware with me the end user in full control of what gets installed and what doesnt. make a single scrollable screen that is 100 pages long for all i care where i get to choose what programs are installed, what permissions are required by each program, what telemetry options are enabled by default for each program and give me the ability to turn everything off if I must. I must be able to uninstall notepad and the Edge browser or even prevent them from being installed in the first place. After you get this much done, why dont we talk about your little AI features then?
- Where does this guy get his information from?
There's nothing underwhelming about AI. It's how Microsoft damages anything it touches, and lies to users about it. They force a stupid "copilot" key into computers and encourage the waste of resources into "chips with AI capabilities", only to push your data to the cloud, deceitfully, and with very poor safety guarantees.
Also, people have a Windows backlash in general, and Microsoft ignores it, as usual.
by taco_emoji
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- Look, GPT-3 was pretty magical. DALL-E was amazing.
Everything since then has not really pushed too far passed that "impressive tech demo" state. I like using AI to help me with coding. That's... about it.
- > But with Microsoft literally becoming an AI company in the last year ...
"literally"?! What does that mean? That they offloaded all decision-making to AI?
- Perhaps just me, but isn't this a case of the AI you ship to hundreds of millions of users isn't that impressive? The CoPilot (or Gemini in google workspace) experience is almost a different product it's so far off the raw performance of paid models.
I can't stand interacting with these AI buddies that feel like simpletons. Stuff like Claude Sonnet 4.5 however i use for work daily.
by moribvndvs
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- “Why people don’t trust a black box–owned and operated by an increasingly untrustworthy and incompetent organization, with a clear and vested interest in extracting and selling information about its users– with access to all their files and activity is mind-blowing to me” says corporate executive equivalent of a used car salesman.
- This is Microsoft's "Do you guys not have phones?" moment:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pqjVdPtB9lU
- The endgame is obvious: make people train agents and models that will replace them. Executives at MS must think this is subtle and a genius move, but it is obvious and low effort. They don't see that making crappy products in the short term will strengthen their competition, even from small contenders, which might disrupt their core. I doubt MS will out execute others in this race. Let's wait and see :)
by wewewedxfgdf
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- Microsoft management may be succeeding with building the cloud business, but they've wrecked Windows.
- Mustafa Suleyman (Microsoft AI CEO) is a grifter. He dropped out at 19 and later ran "product" for Deepmind, riding the coattails of Demis Hassabis.
He's known for:
- bullying employees: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mustafa_Suleyman#cite_note-14:...
- reorgs, pointless meetings, toxic culture (example: extra office day for his org): sources who work at Microsoft
- https://x.com/pmddomingos/status/1972584701736157664
- He's a corporate climber, good at empire building, which is why Google let him go. Hires product people from his ex companies and you are left with 3 engineers and 5 product managers for a feature and don't ship anything useful.
- > Jeez there so many cynics!
Jeez there are so many clueless CEOs!
> It cracks me up when I hear people call AI underwhelming.
This is your business. It should "make you curious." Saying it "cracks you up" is ridiculous behavior from someone in your position. I will never do business with someone like this.
> I grew up playing Snake on a Nokia phone!
Because you were bored? Or because you literally set time aside every day to play it because it was just that good? What is this nonsense?
> The fact that people are unimpressed that we can have a fluent conversation
I have "fluent conversations" already. With people. About recent and relevant things. The fact that a computer can pretend to do this is not impressive. Press on it hard enough and you'll immediately see the cracks. We've had weak chat bots since forever.
> with a super smart AI
That's trained on existing data. It cannot synthesize new perspectives or prerogatives. It often fails to know anything that recently occurred. It often presents data as if it is absolutely true and that it could not possibly be wrong. It's the opposite of smart in every way.
> that can generate any image/video is mindblowing to me.
It can make copies. It cannot generate anything novel. There was no part of my life that was hampered by the fact I couldn't generate images or videos. This is an amusement, not anything that adds to my bottom line.
by alsetmusic
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- This is pretty damning: [0] Talking to Windows’ Copilot AI makes a computer feel incompetent
0: https://www.theverge.com/report/822443/microsoft-windows-cop...
by cadamsdotcom
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- > it's hard to believe we're going to see a version of Windows that isn't bloated with AI functionality most people didn't ask for.
All the leadership need to do is read these types of articles and they’ll see what’s going on outside the walls. One wonders how the internal incentives can be so wrong.
by w_for_wumbo
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- We need to see actual improvements to our day to day lives if we want to see support for AI.
At the moment, people are seeing improvements in technology, but they're feeling the decline of the welfare of those around them, they're feeling food insecurity, they're feeling uncertain about job security.
by muststopmyths
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- This genius probably doesn't use Windows as his daily driver so of course he's not bothered by it.
- People think Windows sucks. People think AI sucks. Combine the two, ??? Still sucks
- Windows has just become too bloated trying to do to many things. I like CoPilot, but all the “Clippy” style integrations of crap in Windows directly is just poor design. Microsoft also doesn’t have user trust in the way Apple does, so everyone just assumes MSFT is going bad things with the data.
by gradientsrneat
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- "I grew up playing Snake on a Nokia phone" has got to be the most Millenial excuse I've heard to date.
- It is going to be the next Windows Me, Vista, Windows 8, and while I usually do pro-Windows comments, I also don't want an agentic OS Microsoft style.
by PebblesHD
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- He seems to be intentionally missing the point of most of the complaints in order to direct away from his core area. The many legitimate criticisms of windows poor user experience lately will eventually drive change, but long will that take?
Not to mention, I can find AI perfectly impressive and still have absolutely no day-to-day use for it… certainly not enough to justify it taking over my operating system experience.
- What did I just read? Microsoft has employed this person? They are paying him a salary?
by notepad0x90
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- Imagine mcdonald's CEO saying "But it has so much calorie density for the price! and the bigmac tastes so sweet". People don't necessarily want calorie density just the same as they don't want their burgers tasting like sweet pie, not the right flavor for the context. Similarly, most people aren't necessarily trying to be productive, and they want features in the right context, and when desirable.
Tangentially, Why is copilot, or even windows 11 as a whole so bland? Forget the features, why won't they slap some nice looking UI to sell the darn thing? wtf is up with the weird rainbow icon thing for copilot? It looks like something I would have scribbled together in photohshop when I was in highschool. Back to my food example, presentation of food carries most of the weight of what makes the food appetizing. UI/UX is presentation. A sweet hamburger, or a grey burger meat is bad UX just as a copilot showing up in random undesirable places is.
- Of course MS would prove intransigent. They always knew better than their users, that’s nothing new.
by thedelanyo
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- Ai basically kills human creativity.
- > I grew up playing Snake on a Nokia phone! The fact that people are unimpressed that we can have a fluent conversation with a super smart AI that can generate any image/video is mindblowing to me.
Sorry not everyone has such a primitive mind to paper over the chasm. Like, ok, feel free to entertain yourself with a ImageVideoGenBot all your like and see if that blows your mind better than snake, but how would that entertainment help when your experience is made worse by AI integration?
But also, that's just nonsense, we're nowhere close to "fluent conversation with a super smart AI" watch your own ads where it can't even understand that 150% scaling is already set and "super smartly" recommends setting it
- The best way I've heard this described today is "he's high on his own supply".
by chrisandchris
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- > [...] with a super smart AI that can generate any image/video is mindblowing to me.
Let me think, when was the last time I wanted to generate a picture? Never. Maybe many users do not care about the seemingly only use case AI does not fail to fulfil?
- Smart AI? You mean probability based token generator?
- Windows users' relationship with Microsoft looks like an abusive spouse relationship.
I don't think the hurdle is so high for companies to sell Linux machines that look like Windows XP and users to just stomach changing OSs.
I think Valve smells blood in the water and that is why they are releasing their new Steam Machine (linux based).
- If I want AI, I'll get AI. I don't need you to shove it down my throat.
Not to mention it's mostly inconsistent trash.
by ChicagoDave
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- The fact the he doesn’t even understand the push back tells you everything. It’s not about customers. It’s about investors and promises. Promises that will fail because the most important of business is knowing what your customers want.
We have never asked for blind integration of AI into every aspect of our lives or work.
- At this particular moment in time, the old quote about "the market can remain irrational longer than you can remain solvent" feels relevant on a couple of levels. I keep waiting for the bubble to burst and for these executives to be forced into finally confronting the realities of this technology, but it is taking a very long time indeed.
by ProllyInfamous
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- >"A man can not be made to understand when his entire job depends on his not understanding." —Upton Sinclair
by nubinetwork
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- The sad part of Microsoft AI is the amount of emails I get about 365 or Azure being down, because of an AI driven change that caused the outage. Maybe if they paid some real developers, it wouldn't be broken so often...
- I would simply urge that its important to listen to your end users. Microsoft has a grip on enterprise customers, but everyone else has at least two other options. The third option is not having a PC at all, and I bet a lot of people are totally happy with that given how powerful phones and tablets are now.
The only thing I used Windows for was games, and that moat has all but vanished in the last few years. I game AAA games on linux with no issue now. Zero need for Windows. I had Windows as a home OS for 20 years, and it was their alienation through anti-patterns that caused me to switch. Not features, not compatibility, not performance. The clear and braindead obvious anti-consumer actions they made year after year.
- Copilot in Visual Studio is so hit or miss that frequently it's not worth using.
Today I asked it to add a constant as an argument to every call to a specific method in a unit test. The result was pure slop: The prompts leaked out into the proposed diff, and there was just a list of every method call, not placed where the method calls were in the unit test.
Just get the darn stuff to work before you shove it into every corner of my life.
by qwertytyyuu
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- It’s not that people are unimpressed with ai, it’s that they are unimpressed with what it can even on windows and forcing us to interact with it. Like I can’t even change basic settings with it. If it were good, you don’t need to tell me to used it!
by CamperBob2
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- "It must be the customers who are wrong," said no successful businessperson ever.
- He just says what he needs to say in order to accomplish his company's goals: selling lots of AI.
That makes him as trustworthy as a used car salesman.
I mean I think there's a niche where AI is useful but it's not for all the things they're trying to push it for.
It's the metaverse and blockchain hypes all over again. Always trying to cram it into situations where it adds no value and even detracts. Instead of focusing on the ones where it really does.
- Is this super smart AI in the room with us right now?
- Oh, I’m a “cynic” because I’m upset at Microsoft continuing to violate my consent over and over again, huh.
Wonder if he calls any of his rejected dates a “cynic” because they said no to him, too.
- A real "Don't you people have phones?" moment.
- With this attitude I'm worried about GitHub and VSCode..
- Strawmanning, trying to distort the narrative and gaslight us by attacking a made-up perspective instead of the real arguments/feelings of the opposition. We aren't so much unimpressed, we're wary of our MOST PRIVATE data being stolen, then sold to the highest bidder or further stolen by hackers yet again. We have a bad taste in our mouth from ONEDRIVE. BEING. LITERALLY. IMPOSSIBLE. TO. TURN. OFF. (Unless you switch to Linux which is I guess the only choice now.) And the fact that they have shown they don't care about consumer preferences and will always continue to push their juggernaut of bad decisions on us out of monopolistic hubris. I thought this guy was smart but I guess he's just another AI-assist tool.
by AdmiralAsshat
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- Microsoft AI CEO thinks AI is cool. Film at eleven.
- I'm glad I switched to MacOS 3 years ago.
- 'The fact that people are unimpressed that we can have a fluent conversation with a super smart AI that can generate any image/video is mindblowing to me.'
To dedicated tech professionals or power and possibly even just enthusiasts, I'd agree.
What kind of bubble in their personal life must exist to NOT realise that being accidentally told a brief description of the image the user was looking at and knew full well was in front of them because they slip clicked on the wrong part of the windows UI, is not a selling point but an act of gross irritation.. Most people don't care unless it has a practical use beyond getting in the way of their work.
Mind blowing indeed. Please.. don't be like that person.. expand your social circle outside of work.
- I was surprised when Microsoft hired him. He always seemed to be the cofounder to Demis Hassabis who took on a philosophical tangent rather than the hard engineering needed to build transformative technologies and user experiences. I feel Microsoft lost a gem when Panos Panay left them. He really did some great work on the Surface product line. Surface Studio in particular.
by perryizgr8
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- Microsoft is a multi-trillion dollar company. Is it too much to ask for them to develop and maintain two separate Windows flavors with different focus?
1. Windows 11 - keep doing what they are doing, add AI, ads, all sorts of guardrails, whatever the 80% of users need
2. Windows 11 Enthusiast - Bring back Win 2000 theme, no guardrails, best-in-class dev experience, hyper-optimised for gaming, no AI, no ads
I would pay significantly more for the special version that I did for my Win 11 pro copy.
by RandyOrion
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- Wow. This CEO effectively says that he loves AI things in Windows therefore all Windows users who hate AI things should just get fucked and suffer from his decisions.
by pinkmuffinere
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- > people are unimpressed that we can have a fluent conversation with a super smart AI that can generate any image/video
> super smart
were there any US presidents named Bob?
No U.S. president has ever gone by “Bob” as a first name or nickname.
A few presidents had “Robert” in their full name, but none were commonly known as Bob:
James Abram Garfield — middle name Abram, not Robert
James Earl Carter Jr. (Jimmy Carter) — no Robert
George Herbert Walker Bush / George Walker Bush — no Robert
William Jefferson Clinton — no Robert
Barack Hussein Obama II — no Robert
...
The response continues at decent length here, in much the same vein: https://chatgpt.com/share/691eb846-8198-8010-bd3d-975fe1778d...
- The technology is amazing, but Microsoft has no imagination in the way they try to make use of it. It's sad. It also legitimately hurts society that they are further blurring the line between what is an offline and online experience in Windows, which I fully and openly reject in the strongest of terms.
Also, Co-pilot objectively sucks and is a lying disinformation machine that has rarely helped me with anything.
Trust is Microsoft's greatest asset and they don't seem to have any champions inside the company that can tell these people they are destroying the company's trust.
Bing has been broken for a year now and nobody has fixed it. ATROCIOUSLY broken. That hurts trust.
by nipperkinfeet
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- I'll be impressed when they manage to fix Windows 11! There are still many regressions compared to Windows XP through 10. They can add all this AI nonsense to the taskbar, yet they can't reinstate the features people have been asking for.
by Madmallard
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- It's a shame that society is just devolving and we're just seeing it happen in real time. Inhuman opportunists are enacting an increasingly aggressive hostile takeover in every single industry and ruining it in the process. What's going to happen in the next 10 years?
- I will never be able to square the circle of c suites pushing both RTO and AI at the same time. You can't seriously believe in the "power" of face-to-face meetings while simultaneously forcing your employees to work with chat bots all day.
by neuroelectron
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- Windows 11 is great once your strip out everything like their app store and Copilot and create an offline account (Windows Pro required).
- ... Wow. "It must be the users who are wrong".
I mean, MS has always had elements of this problem, but this is unusually bad.
by insane_dreamer
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- It's not that we're unimpressed with certain capabilities, we just don't want it shoved down our throats at every turn, and without any clear improvement in our ability to perform the daily tasks we need or want to do.
- I had a rule of thumb is that if software is telling me about a feature or an update (outside of a tutorial or something, and security) the feature is probably useless, someone is padding their yearly review and I need to turn it off. People were saying I'm too grumpy, glad to see they are starting to come around ;)
- Having a fluent conversation with a "super smart" ai is no good to me when it's constantly gaslighting me and making stuff up.
- When Microsoft updated office.com to immediately bring up a copilot prompt, and made it harder for me to find the menu items, I was pretty annoyed.
Foisting AI on people in the way they have means we lose a bit more control, for a feature we don't want. There is a certain level of AI burnout in the market - not every product needs AI. In fact, if a vendor says they have "AI" in their product, I immediately ignore that aspect and ask even more questions about their actual capabilities. Often they are hiding things behind an AI smokescreen.
by knowitnone3
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- Microsoft is using AI as an excuse to slurp all your personal files and documents. I'd take them to small claims court if I ran Windows
- AI in search I could go for:
"Find that meme I downloaded last year with the girl standing by the burning house"
Creating AI slop though? No thanks.
- The ONLY thing keeping people in WIndows anymore, is propietary software, that is how TERRIBLE Microsoft has become.
by ForHackernews
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- "Why aren't you impressed we installed a real live trained dancing grizzly bear in your bathroom!? Yes, I know nobody asked for that bear. Yes, I know the toilet still doesn't flush. Yes, I know the bear sometimes eats people trying to take a shower. Don't you understand?! I grew up using an OUTHOUSE! Have you seen the bear's colorful hat? That bear literally dances the macarena, you ingrates!"
- I guess silicon valley truly makes you tone deaf.
- Yet another salesman clown at the head of a multibillion dollar corporation.
MSFT reminds me of INTC.
- They spent billions of dollars on compute costs and they need to pump the PKIs to justify it. That is the only explanation.
It is the same reason every app (be they web or mobile) gets a redesign every year.
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- I don’t know much about him, but I’m immediately put off by his post with obvious grammar errors. And I’m not even a native speaker!
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