I guess me and the remaining 41% of voters are still left wishing for 5" phones to make a comeback.

The problem with having a single button, even configurable, is that it's all-or-nothing, and I might want different things at different times.

But thanks so much for taking the first step!

Otherwise, I'm trying to abstain from smart phone usage as much as possible: the market is probably _never_ going to solve one which solves addiction problem. (the best solution for this is to have a desktop computer which you only sit at for specific tasks)

On the other hand, if I could run my company's OTP and it were much more private than iOS or Android I would probably jump ship.

As an American, I will order this phone as soon as it’s available to me!

I’m not aware of any similar option for us at the moment so I’m a little sad.

Looks like the market just gets more fragmented without any improvements towards better sustainability/reusability. The only thing that really caught my attention recently was Pilet, a handheld Raspberry Pi. That's a really cool thing, that gives mobility while maintaining functionality.

Would have thought after their ups and downs they would have landedon a sustainable businesss model. The market oppurtunity is there and the timing is favourable. All thats needed to stick the landing and have a viable alt to the ios/android duoploly.

Personally would recommend they work with an established OEM to customize/port drivers to existing hardware and market to a specific vertical rather than a general purpose for normies device.

sus

I don't think it is a good idea to call this a "privacy switch", obviously it works in software and can't be trusted.

imho, linux users should focus on phones well supported by postmarketos

Nevertheless, I hope they succeed.

Jolla used the crowd-funding campaign to butter up VCs for their next funding round [3] and then decided the Asian LLC handling the crowdfunding would go bankrupt, leaving backers with no tablets and most with no refund. [4]

The real kicker was that the tablets were ALREADY manufactured by their ODM, Jolla just never paid them. Took backers money and stiffed their manufacturing partner too. For a while after the campaign folded you could buy Jolla branded tablets (running Android, it was just an ODM model they flashed Sailfish on) on eBay or Taobao [5]. I just checked and there's a Jolla Tablet listed on eBay right now. [6]

10 years later, it looks like they're trying the same thing. Maybe they think the internet has forgotten, but I have zero interest in supporting their next hardware rug-pull endeavour.

[1] https://together.jolla.com/question/97695/information-regard...

[2] https://www.indiegogo.com/en/projects/jolla/jolla-tablet-wor...

[3] https://jolla.com/content/uploads/2017/02/46_JOLLATABLET_STR...

[4] https://blog.jolla.com/second_phase_refund/

[5] https://old.reddit.com/r/Jolla/comments/3x2s7e/jolla_tablets...

[6] https://archive.ph/Ncf17

The last two bullets of their FAQ:

Will the Jolla Phone work outside Europe, can I use it e.g. in the U.S.?

Yes, we will design the cellular band configuration to enable global travelling as much as possible, including e.g. roaming in the U.S. carrier networks.

Can I buy the Jolla Phone if I’m outside Europe, can I use it e.g. in the U.S.?

The initial sales markets are EU, UK, Switzerland and Norway. Entering other markets, such as the U.S. and Canada are to be decided due course based on potential interest from the areas.

There's a Sailfish help page [0] showing how to get the APK from Aptoide, or downloading directly from Whatsapp.com .

But with Google killing off 'sideloading', is it credible that independent APK sources are going to dry up in future?

[0] https://docs.sailfishos.org/Support/Help_Articles/Whatsapp_S...

I dont understand how ex-Nokia devs could have built a phone like the N900 and then just walked away from it for 15 years

does anyone own this 2013 version? why did it not crash the market?

Also, will my banking app be supported on sailfishOS?

Is this something generally understood to be a down payment in EU nomenclature? Just curiosity, as in the US I'd generally expect it to mean you get a phone on launch for the stated price, and a down payment to use something along the lines of "reserve for...".

I hope instead it's governed by a principal of people's privacy.

TLDR: while the OS is great (really GREAT), the real-world compatibility is not.

I had Sailfish OS for a daily driver for two years, and OS is great (let me say that again, Sailfish IS GREAT!), but there are "the details".

Jolla is completely ignorant to needs of their users. While they do have an android layer, they are ignoring to things that are of huge importance for daily life, like bluetooth passtrough, and are important due to daily needs, for instance, bluetooth passtrough is really important for using public transport here.

FFS, I was reversing banking application and patching it to be able to use it. And actually became very good at it :D

Here is a bluetooth feature request thread, that is open for 5 years: https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/bluetooth-support-in-android and being blatantly ignored.

And lets not get into details, like NFC.

So at the end you will have a great OS, incompatible with the whole world. After 2 years of suffering, I ditched Sailfish, bought Pixel and installed Graphene OS.

Once Jolla starts to listen to their customers, they are on the path to very real android contender, but unfortunately they just dont understand, that people need some features, they are not providing while the vendors wont support some exotic OS. They need to adapt, not vendors - the whole thread is full of this mentality.

The android "container" was a step into right direction but they just shouldnt abandone it and keep on supporting it, adding additional layers of compatibility.

I really hope they will change their mind at some point and prioritize compatibility, would love to ditch android and its spyware driven ecosystem completely, but sadly, Graphene OS + NetGuard is just a far better alternative until Jolla stops behaving like an infant. They are literally sabotaging themself in a worse possible way.

Both are European companys with a great privacy drive.

If my phone died today, I still have a company-given one that I never use. I'd just ask my org to give or sell it to me for personal use.

Fool me twice shame on me.

Jolla never shipped me a tablet or offered me a refund back when they were making tablets. I would strongly urge people not to pre-order from the company since they have a track record of not shipping and being extremely irresponsible in their communications when they dont ship.

Well, crap!