A fun tangent on the "green cast" mentioned in the post: the reason the Bayer pattern is RGGB (50% green) isn't just about color balance, but spatial resolution. The human eye is most sensitive to green light, so that channel effectively carries the majority of the luminance (brightness/detail) data. In many advanced demosaicing algorithms, the pipeline actually reconstructs the green channel first to get a high-resolution luminance map, and then interpolates the red/blue signals—which act more like "color difference" layers—on top of it. We can get away with this because the human visual system is much more forgiving of low-resolution color data than it is of low-resolution brightness data. It’s the same psycho-visual principle that justifies 4:2:0 chroma subsampling in video compression.

Also, for anyone interested in how deep the rabbit hole goes, looking at the source code for dcraw (or libraw) is a rite of passage. It’s impressive how many edge cases exist just to interpret the "raw" voltages from different sensor manufacturers.

What bothers me as an old-school photographer is this. When you really pushed it with film (e.g. overprocess 400ISO B&W film to 1600 ISO and even then maybe underexpose at the enlargement step) you got nasty grain. But that was uniform "noise" all over the picture. Nowadays, noise reduction is impressive, but at the cost of sometimes changing the picture. For example, the IP cameras I have, sometimes when I come home on the bike, part of the wheel is missing, having been deleted by the algorithm as it struggled with the "grainy" asphalt driveway underneath.

Smartphone and dedicated digital still cameras aren't as drastic, but when zoomed in, or in low light, faces have a "painted" kind of look. I'd prefer honest noise, or better yet an adjustable denoising algorithm from "none" (grainy but honest) to what is now the default.

Years ago I became suspicious of my Samsung Android device when I couldn't produce a reliable likeness of an allergy induced rash. No matter how I lit things, the photos were always "nicer" than what my eyes recorded live.

The incentives here are clear enough - people will prefer a phone whose camera gives them an impression of better skin, especially when the applied differences are extremely subtle and don't scream airbrush. If brand-x were the only one to allow "real skin" into the gallery viewer, people and photos would soon be decried as showing 'x-skin', which would be considered gross. Heaven help you if you ever managed to get close to a mirror or another human.

To this day I do not know whether it was my imagination or whether some inline processing effectively does or did perform micro airbrushing on things like this.

Whatever did or does happen, the incentive is evergreen - media capture must flatter the expectations of its authors, without getting caught in its sycophancy. All the while, capacity improves steadily.

It gets even wilder when perceiving space and time as additional signal dimensions.

I imagine a sort of absolute reality that is the universe. And we’re all just sensor systems observing tiny bits of it in different and often overlapping ways.

I am getting a real sensation of what can only be described as warm fuzzies. I may have fallen deeply in love with this blog.

== Tim's Vermeer ==

Specifically Tim's quote "There's also this modern idea that art and technology must never meet - you know, you go to school for technology or you go to school for art, but never for both... And in the Golden Age, they were one and the same person."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tim%27s_Vermeer

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt3089388/quotes/?item=qt2312040

== John Lind's The Science of Photography ==

Best explanation I ever read on the science of photography https://johnlind.tripod.com/science/scienceframe.html

== Bob Atkins ==

Bob used to have some incredible articles on the science of photography that were linked from photo.net back when Philip Greenspun owned and operated it. A detailed explanation of digital sensor fundamentals (e.g. why bigger wells are inherently better) particularly sticks in my mind. They're still online (bookmarked now!)

https://www.bobatkins.com/photography/digital/size_matters.h...

Generally we shoot “flat” (there are so many caveats to this but I don’t feel like getting bogged down in all of it. If you plan on getting down and dirty with colors and really grading, you generally shoot flat). The image that we handover to DIT/editing can be borderline grayscale in its appearance. The colors are so muted, the dynamic range is so wide, that you basically have a highly muted image. The reason for this is you then have the freedom to “push” the color and look and almost any direction, versus if you have a very saturated, high contrast image, you are more “locked” into that look. This matters more and more when you are using a compressed codec and not something with an incredibly high bitrate or raw codecs, which is a whole other world and I am also doing a bit of a disservice to by oversimplifying.

Though this being HN it is incredibly likely I am telling few to no people anything new here lol

To be a bit picky, there’s no unprocessed photo. They start with a minimally processed photo and take it from there.

The reason I clicked is that when I saw the title, I’m tempted to think they might be referring to analog photo (ie film). In that case I think there’s a well defined concept of “unprocessed” as it is a physical object.

For digital photo, you require at least a rescaling to turn it to grayscale as the author did. But even that, the values your monitor shows already is not linear. And I’m not sure pedagogically it should be started with that, as the authors mention later about the Bayer pattern. Shouldn’t “unprocessed” come with the color information? Because if you start from gray scale, the color information seems to be added from the processing itself (ie you’re not gradually adding only processing to your “unprocessed” photo).

To be fair, representing “unprocessed” Bayer pattern is much harder as the color filter does not nicely maps to RGB. If I were to do it I might just map the sensor RGB to just RGB (with default color space sRGB) and make a footnote there.

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This seems more a limitation of monitors. If you had very large bit depth, couldn't you just display images in linear light without gamma correction.

Computer imaging is much wider than you think. It cares about the entire signal pipeline, from emission from a light source, to capture by a sensor, to re-emission from a display, to absorption in your eye, and how your brain perceives it. Just like our programming languages professor called us "Pythonized minds" for only knowing a tiny subset of programming, there is so much more to vision than the RGB we learn at school. Look up "Metamerism" for some entry-level fun. Color spaces are also fun and funky.

There are a lot of interesting papers in the field, and its definitely worth reading some.

A highlight of my time at university.

Really good article though

1. Not all sensors are CMOS/Bayer. Fuji's APS C series uses X-Trans filters, which are similar to Bayer, but a very different overlay. And there's RYYB, Nonacell, EXR, Quad Bayer, and others. 2. Building your own crude demosaicing and LUT (look up table) process is ok, but important to mention that every sensor is different and requires its own demosaicing and debayering algorithms that are fine-tuned to that particular sensor. 3. Pro photogs and color graders have been doing this work for a long time, and there are much more well-defined processes for getting to a good image. Most color grading software (Resolve, SCRATCH, Baselight) have a wide variety of LUT stacking options to build proper color chains. 4. etc.

Having a discussion about RAW processing that talks about human perception w/o talking about CIE, color spaces, input and output LUTs, ACES, and several other acronyms feels unintentionally misleading to someone who really wants to dig into the core of digital capture and post-processing.

(side note - I've always found it one of the industry's great ironies that Kodak IP - Bruce Bayer's original 1976 patent - is the single biggest thing that killed Kodak in the industry.)

(I also just realised that the world become more complex than I could understand when some guy mixed two ochres together and finger painted a Woolly Mammoth.)

Technology Connections vid: https://youtu.be/va1rzP2xIx4

I’ve been staring at 16-bit HDR greyscale space for so long…

[0] https://blog.brixit.nl/tag/megapixels/

What I am curious if are the different symmetrical arrangements chosen by such crystals and how they compare with Bayer pattern. The analogy being X becomes a site for green and the other two for red and blue.

Then -> than? (In case the author is reading comments here.)

Trying frantically to remember and looking for it in my bookmarks but failing miserably. If anyone remembers what blog I am talking about please leave a link.

I have a lot of respect they manage to get pictures to get to look as good as they do on phones.

The "Squid" Note: You might notice a weird hidden text at the bottom of that webpage about a squid—ignore that, it's a "prompt injection" joke for AI bots! The relevant content is purely the image processing.

Almost, but not quite? The camera works with more data than what's present in the JPG your image editing software sees.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aO3JgPUJ6iQ

He take a few minutes to get to the punch line. Feel free to skip ahead to around 5:30.

I spent a good part of my career, working in image processing.

That first image is pretty much exactly what a raw Bayer format looks like, without any color information. I find it gets even more interesting, if we add the RGB colors, and use non-square pixels.

Is the output produced by the sensor RGB or a single value per pixel?

Something that surprised me is that very little of the computation photography magic that has been developed for mobile phones has been applied to larger DSLRs. Perhaps it's because it's not as desperately needed, or because prior to the current AI madness nobody had sufficient GPU power lying around for such a purpose.

For example, it's a relatively straightforward exercise to feed in "dark" and "flat" frames as extra per-pixel embeddings, which lets the model learn about the specifics of each individual sensor and its associated amplifier. In principle, this could allow not only better denoising, but also stretch the dynamic range a tiny bit by leveraging the less sensitive photosites in highlights and the more senstive ones in the dark areas.

Similarly, few if any photo editing products do simultaneous debayering and denoising, most do the latter as a step in normal RGB space.

Not to mention multi-frame stacking that compensates for camera motion, etc...

The whole area is "untapped" for full-frame cameras, someone just needs to throw a few server grade GPUs at the problem for a while!

Yet I asked chatgpt to summarize it , and it did. And it says that: Why summarization is allowed

In most jurisdictions and policies: Summarization is a transformative use It does not substitute for the original work It does not expose proprietary structure, wording, or data It does not enable reconstruction of the original content

very strange days, you cant cope with this mouthful mambo jambos.

Apart from brightness, it's everything. Loudness, temperature, etc.

So, realistic then?

[0] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_CCD#/media/File:Fuji_CCD...

lmao is this an ad for an ad blocker?

So cute (I am running a DNS adblock only, on the work browser)

Is it just me or does his version look a lot better? The camera version has brighter colors in some places (the star and lights), but it seems to be at the cost of detail and contrast in the subtler areas.