by andrewvc
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- For an idea as to how this gets translated into the reality on the ground here in Minneapolis this is an article on what’s going on from the main newspaper in the state.
> In the past week alone, ICE boxed in a Woodbury real estate agent recording their movements from his car, slammed him to the ground and detained him at the Whipple Federal Building near Fort Snelling for 10 hours. A 51-year-old teacher patrolling the Nokomis East community told the Star Tribune she was run off the road into a snowbank by ICE for laying on her horn. Officers shattered the car window of a woman attempting to drive past a raid in south Minneapolis to get to a doctor’s appointment nearby, then carried her through the street. Feds pushed an unidentified motorist through a red light into a busy intersection, reportedly fired projectiles at a pedestrian walking “too slowly” in a crosswalk and shoved Minneapolis City Council President Elliott Payne while he was observing their actions from a public sidewalk.
You can read the full thing here: https://www.startribune.com/have-yall-not-learned-federal-ag...
by chinathrow
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- If you work for Palantir and if you work on these systems: You have blood on your hands. You know that it's not right what is happening on the ground right now. Do something.
- I've been on the receiving end of federal enforcement (DOJ, high-profile "cybercrime"). When they want you, they don't need a confidence score. There is no quota—they take time to build a case. The existence of these tools tells you this isn't targeted enforcement, it's industrial-scale population processing dressed up in an algorithm.
I live in Minnesota. This is my backyard.
by Sparkle-san
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- The Palantro CEO, Alex Karp, is on the record that he approves of what the president is doing in regards to immigration enforcement and the striking of boats in international waters.
by oxqbldpxo
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- And ppl were worried about China's 1984 style use of Ai, lol.
In the end it was greedy software developers that enable this.
by DoingIsLearning
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- Worth reminding everyone in the EU and UK that this is not a 'them' problem.
Palantir is the main software vendor for Europol. Equally pretty much all the 1984 proposals for age or id online verification that are being massaged into existence (both in the UK and pushed by the European Commission) have their fingers all over them.
They sell pre-crime and opinion control to our democratic leaders and apparently everyone in Davos loves it.
by datsci_est_2015
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- Great time to bring up the Imperial Boomerang[1]. My paraphrasing: the weapons and technology that imperial and colonial powers develop or use to control subjugated populations will inevitably be used to also control its own population.
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imperial_boomerang
- As always, I like to point out that someone here is probably very proud of their work on this.
- I am all for criticizing and pointing fingers at trump and this entire administration.
But it does say they have been working with ICE for “years” in the article. What is not really clear to me is was the app made worse recently, was it originally commissioned under trump?
Nothing about that changes that they should not be working with ICE and they deserve any pressure they get to cut ties. But there is some history here I am very curious about.
All of that being said, I am concerned about how this will be turned around and used in more than just ICE and targeting everyone. Especially since we can be sure this will be used in largely blue big cities.
- I keep thinking about https://neveragain.tech
by AndreyK1984
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- Can someone tell me three things, please!
- is ICE illegal or immoral ? Or it is a good tool used wrong ?
- can people vote and make ICE stronger / weaker depending on their choice ?
- are non registered people breaking the law or not ? Is it basically bad law or bad people ?
I am sure US is republic and democracy together, but everyone here pretends ICE is a tool of dictatorship and should be stopped immediately.
If you ask about my personal opinion - it is an internal problem of US citizens, and they need to fix it.
- Reading comment sections for news like this makes one understand better how it is possible that widescale horrible things happen.
At first you'll learn about something horrible in the past and think, How could people let that happen, yet alone participate in it? Well, its spelled out pretty neatly here.
Some people don't care - its "them" being targeted (jews, tutsi, immigrants), not "us". Some people care, but not in the way you'd think - they agree with the actions. Some people just wash their hands - I was only following orders, I was only working for Palantir. Some will be dismissive or downplay what is happening: its no big deal, its overblown, its being exaggerated and distorted by Radical Left-Wing Terrorists™.
This is how bad things happen.
- https://archive.ph/9UPzF
by biophysboy
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- Per the WSJ, as of January 10th this year, ICE has identified 13 instances of agents firing at or into civilian vehicles, leaving eight people shot with two confirmed dead. Five of those shot were citizens. According to court records, only one of these civilians was armed and never drew his weapon.
There is a sickness curdling in the dark corners of Silicon Valley. These people need to be humiliated for being the sniveling, authoritarian toads that they are.
- I suspect they are using it in this encounter, where someone just out for a walk is harassed by armed men…
https://www.reddit.com/r/Minneapolis/comments/1qbawlr/minnea...
by treebeard901
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- Blue cities should have local citizen backed militias under the control of the mayor.
by nipponese
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- Can anyone explain a user flow for how a Palantir product enables ICE to go from app launch to ‘target arrested’?
- Anyone who works for Palantir or this corrupt administration should be blacklisted from the industry
by amsterdorn
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- > “Enhanced Leads Identification & Targeting for Enforcement (ELITE) is a targeting tool designed to improve capabilities for identifying and prioritizing high-value targets
What constitutes this "high value"? & valuable to who, ICE agents with an itchy trigger finger?
- > confidence score
Is this the new social credit?
by unstyledcontent
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- Make no mistake, the immigration enforcement operations in Minnesota are only a training ground for how to undermine civil rights for us all. Everyone is ok targeting te immigrant populations because they are "illegal" or live in a gray area of legality. But eventually these same tools will be used against us.
- There's a clear difference in the premises behind the thinking of the "right" vs. the "left". One side sees "evil officers acting too aggressively towards fellow humans", and the other side sees "patriotic police catching criminal aliens, and leftists attacking the police".
Those are the two ways of thinking I've noticed.
by ZeroGravitas
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- It's not really a good ad for their software as they appear to be grabbing brown skinned people at random.
- I am pretty underwhelmed by what this tool does.
There is a list of suspects.
It does not say this is sourced by Palantir,
but it is at least consumed. [1]
It puts flag on a map where the list says the
persons(s) may be.
Based on addresses listed in government documents.
It indicates the lists ranking of importance.
And whatever links to crimes done or crimes
suspected of.
ICE leadership can add priority meta data
to the list.
This is not 2026 hyper advanced software.
And the government paying huge money for it
well that is just public procurement.
I mean imagine
[1] The list itself being pulled from several data
sources.
- I remember hearing the "imagine if Stasi/Gestapo had the data Facebook and Twitter have on us" argument for years. Turns out they were right to be worried.
by ARandumGuy
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- I don't know how much people outside of MN know about what's going on, but it's fucking dire here. However bad you think it is, it's worse.
- This is extremely relevant for the current conversation. All this has happened before.
IBM and the holocaust
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_and_the_Holocaust
by chinathrow
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- How did this fell off the homepage so fast?
- I have a message to all Palantir employees. You can quit, you don't have to make this technology. Palantir cannot function without you.
Let me tell you a story. When I was young, just out of college, I worked for a tech startup. The tech startup was a mapping company. At some point I overheard the company CEO talking about how the software I built was being used. I thought it was being used to help track miners and equipment working in mines so that if there is an accident, they know where all the people and equipment are so they can be saved.
I learned by overhearing him that the software was being used in the Iraq war to track people to kill. I wasn't supposed to know since I didn't have a security clearance to know.
I quit that job over this.
I told this story because there are certainly employees there that don't have the clearance to know what is happening. But the reporting is making it clear. You can quit your job. They can't function without you.
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_and_the_Holocaust
- Wasn't there a meme called owl really?
- We were worried about China using force over Uyghurs. non-white Americans are the Uyghurs now.
Congress and Supreme court ought to be reigning the executive branch and enforcing citizen rights according to constitution and bill of rights.
- Mods are going to boot this off the front page.
- It's crazy that anybody who has read books could learn about the company "Palantir," know where the name comes from, and join it thinking it's anything other than evil.
The thing is, I know palantir engineers are well paid. Money warps people's brains. It's much easier enable evil if you can go back to a home you own in Silicon Valley.
by an0malous
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- I remember in the 2010s when Silicon Valley was full of founders who genuinely wanted to use technology to make the world a better place, and now it's just fascists who want to use technology to kill brown people more efficiently
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by mreti_par
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- Frick Trump and frick all the pieces of dump that vote red!
I hope you and all your loved ones de a horrible deth.
You are ruining the entire world!
Why am I being downvoted? Has HN been invaded by Trump's scum too?
by creatonez
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- Every single engineer who works on this should be in prison for life. Nuremberg trials are coming. Be careful associating yourself with techno-fascists, history will not forget your git commits on evil technologies.
by honeycrispy
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- Why is this allowed to reach the front page, but any technical talk relating to the slaughter of Iranians gets quietly removed?