by alexpham14
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- Compliance is usually the hard stop before we even get to capability. We can’t send code out, and local models are too heavy to run on the restricted VDI instances we’re usually stuck with. Even when I’ve tried it on isolated sandbox code, it struggles with the strict formatting. It tends to drift past column 72 or mess up period termination in nested IFs. You end up spending more time linting the output than it takes to just type it. It’s decent for generating test data, but it doesn't know the forty years of undocumented business logic quirks that actually make the job difficult.
- I've not found it that great at programming in cobol, at least in comparison to its ability with other languages it seems to be noticeably worse, though we aren't using any models that were specifically trained on cobol. It is still useful for doing simple and tedious tasks, for example constructing a file layout based on info I fed it can be a time saver, otherwise I feel it's pretty limited by the necessary system specifics and really large context window needed to understand what is actually going on in these systems. I do really like being able to feed it a whole manual and let it act as a sort of advanced find. Working in a mainframe environment often requires looking for some obscure info, typically in a large PDF that's not always easy to find what you need, so this is pretty nice.
by brightball
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- Heard an excellent COBOL talk this summer that really helped me to understand it. The speaker was fairly confident that COBOL wasn't going away anytime soon.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RM7Q7u0pZyQ&list=PLxeenGqMmm...
- Not COBOL but I sometimes have to maintain a large ColdFusion app. The early LLMs were pretty bad at it but these days, I can let AI write code and I "just" review it.
I've also used AI to convert a really old legacy app to something more modern. It works surprisingly well.
- I really wouldn't want any vibe-coded COBOL in my bank db/app logic...
- I am working as a Software engineer in a European bank. There is a huge multi year program to remove COBOL as much as possible with cloud based Java Spring application.
The main reason is maintainability. There is no more cobol developers coming. Existing ones close to retirement or already retired.
by BoredPositron
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- I am in banking and it's fine we have some finetuned models to work with our code base. I think COBOL is a good language for LLM use. It's verbose and English like syntax aligns naturally with the way language models process text. Can't complain.
by Waffle2180
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- I’m not a full-time COBOL dev, but I’ve worked adjacent to mainframe systems
(bank integrations, legacy batch jobs, and data pipelines).
From what I’ve seen, LLMs aren’t really a threat to COBOL roles right now.
They can help explain unfamiliar code, summarize programs, or assist with
documentation, but they struggle with the things that actually matter most:
institution-specific conventions, decades of undocumented business logic,
and the operational context around jobs, datasets, and JCL.
In practice, the hardest part isn’t writing COBOL syntax, it’s understanding
why a program exists, what assumptions it encodes, and what will break if
you change it. That knowledge tends to live in people, not in code comments.
So AI feels more like a force multiplier for experienced engineers rather
than a replacement. If anything, it might reduce the barrier for newer
engineers to approach these systems, which could be a net positive given
how thin the talent pool already is.
- There was a COBOL LLM eval benchmark published a few years ago, looks like it hasn’t been maintained: https://github.com/zorse-project/COBOLEval
At least I think that’s the repo, there was an HN discussion at the time but the link is broken now: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39873793
by m3h_hax0r
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- I wonder if the OP's question is motivated by there being less public examples of COBOL code to train LLM's on compared to newer languages (so a different experience is expected), or something else. If the prior, it'd be interesting to see if having a language spec and a few examples leads to even better results from an LLM, since less examples could also mean less bad examples that deviate from the spec :)
if there are any dev's that use AI with COBOL and other more common languages, please share your comparative experience
by cmrdporcupine
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- Given the mass of code out there, it strikes me it's only a matter of time before someone fine tunes one of the larger more competent coding models on COBOL. If they haven't already.
Personally I've had a lot of luck Opus etc with "odd" languages just making sure that the prompt is heavily tuned to describe best practices and reinforce descriptions of differences with "similar" languages. A few months ago with Sonnet 4, etc. this was dicey. Now I can run Opus 4.5 on my own rather bespoke language and get mostly excellent output. Especially when it has good tooling for verification, and reference documentation available.
The downside is you use quite a bit of tokens doing this. Which is where I think fine tuning could help.
I bet one of the larger airlines or banks could dump some cash over to Anthropic etc to produce a custom trained model using a corpus of banking etc software, along with tools around the backend systems and so on. Worthwhile investment.
In any case I can't see how this would be a threat to people who work in those domains. They'd be absolutely invaluable to understand and apply and review and improve the output. I can imagine it making their jobs 10x more pleasant though.
by anticensor
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- COBOL migration is one of Devin's advertised capabilities:
https://docs.devin.ai/use-cases/examples/cobol-modernization
https://cognition.ai/blog/infosys-cognition
by petercooper
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- I'm not in the COBOL world at all, but when I saw IBM putting out models for a while, I had to wonder if it was a byproduct of internal efforts to see if LLMs could help with the supposedly dwindling number of legacy mainframe developers. I don't know COBOL enough to be able to see if their Granite models are particularly strong in this area, though.
by kajolshah_bt
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- I’ve seen AI help with COBOL only after the system is well understood. When specs are fuzzy or tribal knowledge isn’t written down, AI just produces confident but risky code. It speeds things up only once the basics are already clear.
by fortran77
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- I'm in an adjacent business (FORTRAN) and it hasn't hurt me at all.
- Not a COBOL dev, but I work on migrating projects from COBOL mainframes to Java.
Generally speaking any kind of AI is relatively hit or miss. We have a statically generated knowledge base of the migrated sourcecode that can be used as context for LLMs to work with, but even that is often not enough to do anything meaningful.
At times Opus 4.5 is able to debug small errors in COBOL modules given a stacktrace and enough hand-holding. Other models are decent at explaining semi-obscure COBOL patterns or at guessing what a module could be doing just given the name and location -- but more often than not they end up just being confidently wrong.
I think the best use-case we have so far is business rule extraction - aka understanding what a module is trying to achieve without getting too much into details.
The TLDR, at least in our case, is that without any supporting RAGs/finetuning/etc all kind of AI works "just ok" and isn't such a big deal (yet)
- If I were using something like Claude Code to build a COBOL project, I'd structure the scaffolding to break problems into two phases: first, reason through the design from a purely theoretical perspective, weighing implementation tradeoffs; second, reference COBOL documentation and discuss how to make the solution as idiomatic as possible.
Disclaimer: I've never written a single line of COBOL. That said, I'm a programming language enthusiast who has shipped production code in FORTRAN, C, C++, Java, Scala, Clojure, JavaScript, TypeScript, Python, and probably others I'm forgetting.
by raw_anon_1111
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- Funny enough, I found ChatGPT to be pretty good at AppleSoft BASIC
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by Wuiserous
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- I see it as a complete opposite for sure, I will tell you why.
it could have been a threat if it was something you cannot control, but you can control it, you can learn to control it, and controlling it in the right direction would enable anyone to actually secure your position or even advance it.
And, about the COBOL, well i dont know what the heck this is.
- No humans understand COBOL, no AI understand COBOL.
- I would assert this is affecting all programming languages, this is like the transition from Assembly to high level languages.
Who thinks otherwise, even if LLMs are still a bit dumb today, is fooling themselves.
- The point about the mass of code running the economy being untouched by AI agents is so real. During my years as a developer, I've often faced the skepticism surrounding automation technologies, especially when it comes to legacy languages like COBOL. There’s a perception that as AI becomes more capable, it might threaten specialized roles. However, I believe that the intricacies and context of legacy systems often require human insight that AI has yet to master fully.
I logged my fix for this here: https://thethinkdrop.blogspot.com/2026/01/agentic-automation...
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