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In 6 violent encounters, evidence contradicts immigration officials' narratives

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by ndsipa_pomu

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The worrying thing is that we now know about the lies where there's clear evidence, but we don't know the extent of the illegal torture/brutality where we don't have evidence (e.g. inside the concentration camps used to hold "immigrants").

by NoGravitas

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> "They are trying to control a narrative from the very start, and they don't seem to care when they're proven wrong," said David Lapan, who was the DHS press secretary in 2017, during Trump's first administration.
That's the key bit. They don't need to be proven right. They don't even need their story to be consistent.
> “Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.” > ― Jean-Paul Sartre

by SilverElfin

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It’s hilarious seeing the kind of narratives the right is coming up with to avoid admitting the obvious truth which is on video from multiple angles. I’m now seeing people say things like “you can’t carry a gun at protests” (even though there are numerous photos of people openly carrying guns at right wing protests), or “here’s a different video showing Pretty was an agitator” (as if that excuses the execution), or “wait for bodycam footage” (even though there is a video of them removing his gun and later putting him on his knees).
I will say though that I am also a bit scared. When government officials push a blatantly false narrative, that they know is a lie, and their supporting voters completely accept that version of reality over what they can see with their eyes, it suggests that those same voters would be okay with ANYTHING the administration does.

by chasil

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Nonviolent crowd control does not seem to be a core competence of these federal forces.
They should augment deployed enforcement with those who have such expertise.

by trhway

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by gafferongames

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by cornhole

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i can’t wait until the gestapo, and the powers that be, revoke my citizenship and send me to a ice detention center so i can make license plates

by fleroviumna

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by arxari

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by Herring

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by morgengold

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by TacticalCoder

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by lazyeye

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by metalcrow

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> officials rushed to defend immigration officers without waiting for key facts to emerge – in what former immigration officials called a clear break with past practice for federal agencies
Without obscuring how bad is it, I don't believe there was ever a time when officials _didn't_ rush to defend federal officers without waiting for key facts to emerge. The us government has constantly loved to say that no one working for them has done anything wrong.