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We asked 15k European devs about jobs, salaries, and AI [pdf]

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by rockyj

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by hocuspocus

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These job portals (SwissDevJobs.ch, GermanTechjobs.de, etc.) are incredibly self-selecting.
I don't know any half-serious company posting ads there. And I'm not even talking about top tier or second tier tech companies, just tech adjacent employers paying market average.
Same with recruiting agencies matching people with startups. There was talent.io (not sure if it went under or re-branded) sharing ridiculous salary reports.
I'm all for transparency, but if your customer portfolio is literally paying bottom quartile salaries, I don't think this helps anyone.

by PurpleRamen

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This site looks so suspicious. The numbers are very wrong. I looked up two jobs they are listing, which had some very extraordinary wage shown. Both turned out to be wrong, by miles even. By which I mean, they show 80k/year, for a 1k/month paid training. Is this some vibe coded garbage?

by nasmorn

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It basically paints 80k/y as the top 10% of senior salary in Germany and I don’t know anyone good working for less. While I only have anecdata this seems way out of touch with what I understand companies expect to pay for their talent

by WarmWash

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And this is largely why Europe totally whiffed on the tech explosion of the last 25 years.
Keep your golden geese well fed or they will find someone else (or another country) that will.

by KptMarchewa

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Funny how Poland is above Germany, yet I still feel the numbers are low - probably that's just my bubble though.

by xnorswap

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.NET devs being among the worst paid? Seniors earning barely more than regular devs? Yeah, that feels about right to this UK-based senior .NET developer.

by NoiseBert69

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I don't trust these numbers for Germany.
Why? Have a look at all the Tarifunternehmen salaries. 80k-90k€ is pretty much a standard salary you can reach after 5 years (with maybe changing your position once within the same company).
Feels like their dataset has significant sampling gap in some very big industries here.

by trilogic

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Still no real data on the layoff % in the tech sector, respective to Devs or just in general.
Personally I noticed an exodus of Americans towards Europe. IT may as well be considered an intellectual immigration flux.
The critical point is that no one has the puta idea of how to use AI to create jobs, so to smooth and balance the shift/layoffs. Time to be creative on it or else we will see employees destroying the machines again like they did in the beginning of the industrial revolution followed by an economical depression.

by _tk_

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Agree with the sentiment that the numbers for Germany - and I would say Switzerland as well - are not on the level.

by helge9210

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These reports are not for engineers, but for businesses. HR will point to the statistic and state "we are paying top of the market". In reality, trying to hire a senior engineer below EUR100k is like looking for a black cat in a dark room (you can be certain, the cat is not there anymore).

by precommunicator

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in question
> How much do AI tools improve your productivity at work?
there is no 0-10% range

by ChrisArchitect

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Title is: European Transparent IT Job Market Report 2025
https://germantechjobs.de/en/hub/reports/it-job-market-repor...

by ushakov

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i wonder what the stats look like with U.S companies in Germany. probably much higher, especially in areas like Berlin/Munich