Some people just naturally resist hyperbole or sensationalist rhetoric, and I find it very helpful to reframe the argument from doom and gloom and fire and brimstone to something more realistic and grounded:

"The longer we put off doing something, the harder and more expensive it will be in the future. In a Pascal's Wager sort of way, many of the changes we are talking about don't even really cost us anything, and the potential that C02 is not a real culprit is more than made up by danger that it is. Making changes now is the prudent and financially sound decision."

In a large part, this is what the brief ESG trend on the stock market was briefly about before it got co-opted by a dozen different competing messages.

What is generally not understood is that our current icehouse phase is rare.

'A "greenhouse Earth" is a period during which no continental glaciers exist anywhere on the planet... Earth has been in a greenhouse state for about 85% of its history.

'Earth is now in an icehouse state, and ice sheets are present in both poles simultaneously... Earth's current icehouse state is known as the Quaternary Ice Age and began approximately 2.58 million years ago.'

Modern humans have existed for 60k years, all of which have been in this current icehouse.

To cast a different shade on the meaning, this climate period is rare, easily disturbed, and difficult to restore even with vastly more powerful technology. The more common greenhouse state is unlikely to lead to a Venus runaway, but it will be hostile to us.

We might very well require the rare climate, and perish in the common.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenhouse_and_icehouse_Earthh...

Basically amounting to, "well, you say you're doing X to combat climate change, but is X actually a competent solution (I don't trust your competence), and are you doing it to actually help or just to line pockets (I don't trust your intent)".

The other challenge is that we as individual humans are loathe to give up our comfortable lifestyle if such turns out to be necessary.

This document was last updated in October 2024, but I am a little surprised to see this still available on a .gov site.

https://davidsuzuki.org/story/is-it-too-late-to-escape-clima...

And 7 of 9 boundaries have been crossed?

https://www.stockholmresilience.org/research/planetary-bound...

This is starting to look more like the movie _Don't Look Up_.

a) china is unwilling to do anything, and if that's the case, America shouldn't empty its pocket books on this issue.

b) this climate change alarmist stuff has caused a climate disaster in the US because all the migration to Electric Only is causing us to use generators all over the place, which is crazy. We should instead focus on making clean nuclear and expanding solar. PG&E (in CA) has decided to cancel this migration because CPUC (or whatever their called) is in Newsome's pocket who is in PG&Es pocket.

c) climate change extremists are unwilling to both hear yes it's happening and no we're not going to do anything about it, so the people responding are simply saying, no it's not happening.

Climate control is something more people will be on board with compared to trying to have a conversation about climate science to a person who didn’t graduate high school.

Intelligence is a scarcity and it cannot overcome the majority of people that are incredibly stupid or ignorant. So accepting that we are doomed relieves some of the stress. I won't have children to worry about their future, either.

I still live my life in such a way that minimizes my impact on the world as much as possible. I still surround myself with folks that want a better world. But there is no stopping the impending doom and I'm trying not to be miserable with the time I have.