- I just chaired a session at the FOCI conference earlier today, where people were talking about Internet censorship circumvention technologies and how to prevent governments from blocking them. I'd like to remind everyone that the U.S. government has been one the largest funders of that research for decades. Some of it is under USAGM (formerly BBG, the parent of RFE/RL)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Agency_for_Globa...
and some of it has been under the State Department, partly pursuant to the global Internet freedom program introduced by Hillary Clinton in 2010 when she was Secretary of State.
I'm sure the political and diplomatic valence is very different here, but the concept of "the U.S. government paying to stop foreign governments from censoring the Internet" is a longstanding one.
- It's a waste of resources, but please do it! The entire "European Union censors" narrative is a hoax [1], so the portal will achieve nothing, but you've got to do what you've got to do!
[1] First, the EU countries have much higher World Press Freedom Index than the US. Second, once you start reading how little there is of the alleged "censorship" in the EU, you realize it's a no-brainer aiming to protect people.
- Can someone ELI5 how it actually works?
Say I'm a UK citizen with advanced glioblastoma (implying loss of faculties, seizures, and pain; no cure, and things to worsen before eventually passing away, possibly some time from now). Suppose I wish to view websites on euthanasia options, but am blocked from doing so by the UK's Online Safety Act.
How does/will Freedom.gov help? (is it essentially a free VPN?)
Also, as others have pointed out, couldn't the censoring government simply block access to freedom.gov?
by duckerduck
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- Maybe the EU can open a book portal for the US.
https://pen.org/report/the-normalization-of-book-banning/
- Meanwhile, you can't even go on pornhub in certain states in the US, but yes let's let people go on X and engage in hate speech.
In fact I'm sure bad actors will use that site FROM the us, to anonymize their hate speech from Russia/China
by bastawhiz
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- As someone who lives in North Carolina and can't even open most mainstream porn sites, I too am waiting for the freedom
by crossroadsguy
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- Such an irony that there are two sides trying to control the Internet in their own lovely ways and in the end it's the people who will have to suffer one way or the other. But I do think countries around the world should have a hard look at how the Internet is, even today, de facto controlled by the US. Take ".com" and ".net" domains for example. Like there are efforts underway to get away from SWIFT (and hopefully one day USD as well), this should be independent. In a way, at least in the long term, this US administration might be a net positive for the world at least in the term of depolarisation. Or maybe the focal points will shift from existing ones to new ones.
by jadenPete
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- Then won’t foreign governments just ban freedom.gov? This problem has already been solved with networks like Tor and I2P. It seems like it would be more strategic to fund those projects instead.
by ivan_gammel
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- If something looks like MITM, chances are it is MITM.
- A state sponsored vpn is probably not (only) gonna do what you think it's doing.
by alistairSH
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- Won't those other nations just ban freedom.gov?
- What about all the age restriction stuff coming online here in the US in various states? Those are cool right?
This service is definitely a honeypot for tracking.
- Until you have to validate your id/age to continue...
Seriously though... we have one segment undermining foreign lockdowns while the same and other segments are literally doing the same here.
by 1970-01-01
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- I'm guessing China will simply block it at the firewall. It would be hilarious to witness the US Gov validating The Pirate Bay's hydra domain approach. Maybe some squatting isn't a bad idea:
freedom.live
freedom.xyz
freedom.space
etc.
by entropyneur
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- Previous discussion: https://www.reuters.com/world/us-plans-online-portal-bypass-...
Weird title, but worthy of discussion. From the little info available so far this appears to be little more than political posturing. If you want to fight censorship, an "online portal" to access all the censored content is the wrongest possible way to go about it. But we'll see.
by 1vuio0pswjnm7
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- Text-only, no Datadome Javascript, HTTPS optional:
https://assets.msn.com/content/view/v2/Detail/en-in/AA1WCCeV...
Simple HTML:
{
x=AA1WCCeV
ipv4=23.11.201.94
echo "<meta charset=utf-8>";
(printf '%s\r\n%s\r\n\r\n' \
"GET /content/view/v2/Detail/en-in/$x HTTP/1.0" \
'Host: assets.msn.com') \
|nc -vvn $ipv4 80 |grep -o "<p>.*</p>"|tr -d '\134'
} > 1.htm
firefox ./1.htm
- What content bans does Europe have? /Confused European
- Fun hypothetical question - will it be restricted to users in sanctioned locations (where it's most needed) because of, well, sanctions?
- Will I be able to use this to watch Democrats get interviewed by Stephen Colbert?
- I don't think that Europe has a censorship problem, but a US government funded VPN sounds great!
- Wild flex from the country that literally bought their own tiktok to control the propaganda.
- That's not very "America First"
Why are my taxes paying for benefits for Europeans?
They already killed USAID.
by walthamstow
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- So it'll have porn?
by ReflectedImage
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- So going forward all countries will be providing citizens of other countries free access to the internet whilst censoring their own citizens?
by Ancalagon
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- Will this bypass the porn bans in conservative states
- This is good. But because societies are democratic, and most voters are now economically irrelevant, something has to be done about possibility to create discontent simply to shake things and weaken countries - because there is nothing this discontent can achieve (you can't turn objectively irrelevant people, relevant again).
If top 10% of people create half of all spending and more of the spending on nonessentials, thus feeding majority of economy/creating majority of value, things will revolve around them. Something has to be done so that the other 90% won't be trying to break things down just for the sake of it. It's also that top 3% pay half of all federal taxes. Can we expect that the government will really care about others? It's also that same top 3% have a net worth of $5-6M and up - in the "never have to work again unless it's real fun" range.
If the majority of government funding and good half of corporate value comes from people who don't care anymore because they have arrived, can we expect anyone to be a responsible voter? We are firmly in 'bread and circuses' area.
- Or they could just make a donation to Tor and similar projects, and get way more mileage for their money.
- Does this mean we will be able to read RT from Europe again?
- Screams giant honey pot to me.
And my taxes need to fund a VPN when there’s 50 cheap VPNs on the market? What happened to reducing spending?
- Can't wait for them to realize this allows sidestepping geoblocks on media and Hollywood to freak out.
- All the while the FCC was grilled yesterday for trying to shut down free speech. Make it make sense.
- Cool, so the US students will be able to read school banned books ?
Or US state banned research papers ?
Or US state banned historic books or photos ?
Or soft banned late night shows - so Colbert will continue ? Kimmel ?
Or domains of shadow book libraries banned by FBI/corporate requests ?
And it will circumvent geoblocking enforced mostly by US companies ?
Cool, such a heroic effort to remove censorship from theinternet that US enforces on us :-)
Ooh, almost forgotten there also some porn and media pirating sites blocked in the EU that will surely get also unblocked. But who cares, there are thousands of theese....
Btw. did Putin and Xi allowed this ? Or their `free` internet will remain free as before.
- Anyone check out the site? Wild that freedom right now is basically a gif of a cowboy riding a horse with a gun pointed out front. Just shooting our way to freedom seems reasonable 'in these times'.
What's the meaning of this? Is it just theatre? And what is the message of the show? Is it a real fear that people have of lack of information that will set them free and they need to cowboy up and get there no matter what? Struggling to get this.
by jonny-puma
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- As a retaliation the EU should set up a barge in international waters right outside the US east coast where Americans can get unpasteurized cheese, kinder surprise and cheap insulin
- Will it also bypass content bans in the US? Or should Europe create its own freedom.eu for that?
I'm sure I don't have to point out the irony of the current censorship-happy government in the US pretending to be a champion of free speech in other countries. I mean, there are plenty of countries with far worse censorship of course, but for the US to attack the EU specifically on this, is pure propaganda.
- As an EU citizen this is damn nice. The US might have some things to still work on/improve, but when it comes to freedom of speech it is still light years ahead of everybody else, and good for them.
by LetsGetTechnicl
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- > added that user activity on the site will not be tracked.
Oh I'm sure
by astro1138
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- Is that going to accelerate copyright violations for AI training? https://cuiiliste.de/domains contains just a lot of piracy sites.
by reconnecting
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- Last copy if from 2005 (2) according to the Web Archive. I like vote from 1998, if Internet Remain Tax Free (3).
1. https://web.archive.org/web/20050209024923/http://freedom.go...
2. https://web.archive.org/web/19981201060504/http://freedom.go...
- The joke that I saw online was "Does it have Colbert on it?"
- >"and added that user activity on the site will not be tracked"
Until it will. Please do not make me laugh. This will probably be used to help organize converting regimes or look for potential spies. Not denying possible positive value. If they're so generous they should expose Youtube this way and some generic communication platform if they believe they can pull it off (reliable ban bypassing)
- It is undemocratic that European countries insist on making laws that Americans don't like.
by sschueller
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- So I will finally be able to access those US news websites that block EU access because of the cookie banner?
- I'm looking forward to going there to find out what's happening in Palestine.
- I see, there is a danger of US propaganda not getting through, so they are trying a new way.
- at one point, HN was anti-censorship. this discussion shows how ideologically aligned this concept has become.
there are volleys back and forth of "what censorship" followed by links to wikipedia enumerating it. RT and Joe Rogan are thrown in the mix.
when did this experiment fail?
by 1970-01-01
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- "The Net Interprets Censorship As Damage and Routes Around It"
https://quoteinvestigator.com/2021/07/12/censor/
- It's kind of ironic given how much USA is censoring content based on their interest.
- Anyone know why this would be appearing on the front page but completely absent from https://news.ycombinator.com/active
by sschueller
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- So can this be used to loop back to US age restricted content?
- Cool, maybe I'll be able to access www.census.gov from outside the US now
- This reminds me of "Radio Free Europe" and "Radio Liberty", which were basically bankrolled (and likely largely influenced) by the CIA. They wanted to distribute all kinds of programming into USSR that was banned there, same with Solzhenitsyn's books etc. Eventually the USSR fell apart.
Now they are treating Europe like they treated USSR. Musk and other big influencers on X have already been calling for the breakup of the EU, after the EU fined X $100M. I bet that was at least some of the reason behind this.
The irony is that the Trump admin has been deporting non-citizens for speech, his FCC has been intimidating media like ABC and CBS into firing people or canceling programs and interviews, his DOJ has been telling social networks to fork over the identities of citizens who criticized ICE online, and his CBP will begin demanding that tourists hand over 5 years of their social media history, as well as their biometrics, family's information and whatever else.
This is the administration who would lecture Europe about freedom of speech? Didn't they just get through 10 years of telling European countries to be "nationalist" and resist the influence of their own federal government in Brussels -- but I guess we can just ignore their laws and broadcast anything into their countries, tempting them to set up a "great firewall" like China.
Well, if freedom of speech means violating other countries' laws, in this case can European governments just start streaming copyrighted movies for free to US viewers, and piss off the RIAA / MPAA? Or maybe they can do what Cory Doctorow has been proposing: https://doctorow.medium.com/https-pluralistic-net-2026-01-29...
It's like when USA ignores European trademarks (actually even stronger, PDOs) like Champagne or Parmesan but expects Europeans to honor US trademarks.
by randomNumber7
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- Personally I think the EU goes too far when I'm not even allowed to access books on the internet where the author died more than 100 years ago. So I like it xD
- I suppose it works for banned websites and pornsites banned in US some states right?
Other wise it would be pretty hypocritical.
by GoblinSlayer
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- Without net neutrality it's kinda dead on arrival.
by shadowgovt
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- Excellent. I look forward to other service providers responding by cutting traffic from the US.
If the goal is to balkanize the internet, this administration has hit upon an excellent step.
- Do they plan online portal for content banned in the U.S.?
- Can I use freedom.gov to bypass age verification though? :)
- Sad that western Europe is pushing so hard for limits to free speech & privacy. I'm not surprised given their history, but it's sad nonetheless.
- All content will likely be pre-approved by Larry Ellison and his other billionaire friends, so how much freedom will this really have?
- When can we get our kinder egg portal?
by PaulDavisThe1st
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- Do they plan to allow residents of various US states to access sites that are now required to have documented ID evidence?
- To best destroy the idea of an objective truth, you need to control it first.
- Finally, a resource for oppressed people in backward countries to find information about abortion.
- This is so very strange. I don't trust the motivations behind this.
by kingnothing
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- Won't they simply blacklist freedom.gov?
by diego_moita
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- Can it be used to help people in the Bible Belt watch porn?
by sunshine-o
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- I would have loved to be in the meeting where they were wondering how to replace the highly costly and complex influence tool that was USAID, and then someone said:
- Why don't we just make a website?
- Yes let's just do that.
- What even is this? It looks to technically be Next JS with a single canvas element. But what does in protend...?
visuals with the only text on screen being...
---
"Freedom is Coming"
Information is power. Reclaim your human right to free expression.
Get ready.
- Ah yes the 'freedom' USA is giving other people 'freedom'.
Has nothing to do with propaganda or with just reading all the traffic for the cia/fbi/whatever snowden told us.
USA became so fast an enemy, its crazy :(
They should start again funding services like https://nsidc.org/ice-sheets-today instead of 'freedom'.gov
- Ah yes, freedom of speech for the Europeans!
And when we travel to US, they need to check our social media to see if our opinions align with the US government.
- The irony is big in this one.
- Orwellian quotes are bandied about so much these days… does anything more need to be said?
- But will they put the complete Epstein files on there?
by DeathArrow
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- The EU will probably build its own version of the Great Firewall of China.
by mcintyre1994
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- So instead of using a VPN that might have weird relationships with spy agencies, you just use one run by the US government? Clever idea to spy on the stupidest people in the world I guess.
Also I’m guessing they won’t allow this to be used to get around the sorts of content blocking project 2025 calls for in the US.
- "Portal team includes former DOGE member Coristine"
"...user activity on the site will not be tracked."
Ok, stopped reading right there.
- Maybe they can redirect from stupid.gov
- This is just weird.
I mean… Spending tax dollars so that foreigners can watch porn without age verification sounds like a bad use of budget.
- Fantastic! Now EU just needs to setup freedomgov.eu that bounces off freedom.gov so americans also can browse whatever with no restrictions.
by 2OEH8eoCRo0
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- How long until Europe says, "fuck your copyright claims then?"
- This is also going to debut in Saudi Arabia, right?
...Right?
- In the end, facts are useless. You belief what you think your social bubble, and in particular, the group you think you belong to, is thinking. And many people do not speak up. Mostly those with strong (often selfish) interests speak up, and often in a manipulative way. Having narcissist or sociopaths as leader can indeed be a bad thing. Some sort of media control is good, to protect core values, to protect the law against mass manipulation.
- Another dumb idea by our braindead administration.
The site will just be blocklisted by countries who don’t want you to use it. Duh.
You’d have to have some horrendous security instincts to use a government-hosted VPN.
Remember January 2025 when we were pitched the idea that the Trump administration was going to make the federal government efficient and cut frivolous programs?
Let me know when the budget deficit starts to decrease!
by sequence7
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- Wow, it's actually real:
https://freedom.gov/
- I guess it will allow to access information unless it is about abortion or it is negative about DJT.
It is really a joke to pretend that current US cares about freedom of internet access, given all the attacks on free press it things like voice of America radio in the states.
I assume US will also provide a portal to Russian citizen if it is so eager to allow people to bypassing content bans (/s).
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by JumpinJack_Cash
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- After the Trump checks and the Trump jabs ....the Trump porn?
I'd rather not...
- The world will be exposed to hardcore pornography, child endangerment, AI CSAM, and militant algorithms by force, if needed!
Surveillance Valley: The Secret Military History of the Internet by Yasha Levine (2018) directly claims the internet is “the most effective weapon the government has ever built,” tracing its roots to Pentagon counterinsurgency projects like ARPA’s efforts in Vietnam-era surveillance.
The book argues surveillance was “woven into the fabric” from the start, linking early ARPANET development to intelligence goals, and extends to modern tech giants like Google as part of a military-digital complex.
- Anything but help your citizens I guess. Go capitalism
- This comes across not as some noble to support free speech and more an attempt to exempt US firms like Grok, Meta, etc. from laws banning AI generated child porn and deliberately addicting social media.
by black_puppydog
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- Sorry, but whatever you think about the laws that lead to these blockages, how else are european governments supposed to take that than a direct attack on their executive powers by a foreign government?
This being besides the fact that the folks crying wolf over "censorship" regularly conflate flat-out lies with valuable and protected speech.
Edit: I mean, I love tor as much as the next person, but imagine the reaction you'd get if an EU state (say, Germany) was to launch an official page with the express goal of allowing access to information censored by the Chinese government, targeting it directly to chinese citizens.
Could you make a moral case for this? Probably.
But would you be surprised or offended if the Chinese government took any measures they saw fit to strong-arm Germany into shutting that site right back down? Probably not. And the crowd here would probably go "bruh what did you expect?"
... Now waiting for examples of exactly that having happened already. :D
- Great! I sure hope it means Americans will stop censoring pro-Palestinian and pro-workers movements!
- Why? Seriously, why do we care so much about this?
Do we not have better uses of our money. Also the irony considering recent moves by the US government in terms of control of the internet and free speech.
- Good. I’m bypassing the UK altogether since they can throw you in jail for thought crimes.
https://www.newsweek.com/policing-thought-crime-should-have-...