No sovereign nation should use US companies for data storage or processing. Period.

The attempts to shift to open source or non-US services are inevitably hobbled by US companies lobbying (read: bribing) politicians.

Fighting data sovereignty is a losing battle for the US: data are too strategic to outsource, even to allies.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galileo_(satellite_navigation)

I really don't envy the diplomats' job at the moment.

Is it just the government that feels this way, or do the general population of the US feel like everyone else on the planet is an enemy?

Step 2: Ask for favors

Step 3: Profit?

(Even the ordinary open source world has a lot of intrigue to be careful of. And most developers still think nothing of pulling in a fleet of dependencies from PyPI/NPM/Cargo/etc. as well as third-party network services. Everyone is being taught in school to play to FAANG interview rituals, and many go on to a career style of performative sprints. HCI is almost lost as a field to UX euphemism. Almost no one can deploy a system that won't be compromised, and most don't even try, except for some mandated ineffective theatre. AI homework-cheating mindset isn't helping. Etc. Not to complain, but to be clear the kind of inertia a country is facing.)

Do the countries wanting to fight this have enough of they right homegrown talent already, and know how to find and nurture it?

If they're importing additional talent, do they know how to find and incentive the right people, while turning away the ones with the wrong mindsets for this mission?

(ProTips: Look for the hardcore privacy&security non-careerist nerds. The left-leaning, societal-minded ones. Give them what they've been looking for, or support to help make what they've been looking for. Don't offer to pay too well. Anyone who asks "Why would I want to live in your country, when I can make more money elsewhere?" gets a permaban.)

So would this issue still exist if the data was not human comprehendible yet a system still functioned 100% as needed?

The outlier technologists among us may read between my written lines with piquéd interest while the majority will likely just balk making claims based on lack of knowledge and awareness. For those looking to balk save your time in responding because analogously we no longer drive Ford Model Ts either and in time so too will system designs significantly change to answer the issues created by todays limited technology architectures.

Whether it be in the water you drink, the air you breath, or the technology platforms you rely on; What you cannot see matters most!

All these efforts will come to nothing.

Amazon sovereign cloud https://aws.eu/fr/ Azure sovereign https://www.microsoft.com/fr-fr/sovereignty Oracle soverign https://www.oracle.com/fr/cloud/eu-sovereign-cloud/ IBM https://www.ibm.com/think/topics/sovereign-cloud ...

In an ironic twist of fate, the US government's actions could end up causing long-term damage to US tech companies.

This is all based on anecdotal evidence, so I could be wrong, but I have to call it like I see it.

See also https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47149701

Looking forward to changing my bank card to a EU alternative when its available.

I don't feel like I have major usage issues, but maybe once I have decoupled from the big players, it will be clearer what I had gotten used to, for which there was another way to approach.

The biggest pain points will probably be YouTube, Claude, Gemini and Google docs. The main issues will probably stem from collaborating with others, rather than my own personal usage.

This is really some sort of diplomatic Streisand effect. If the US would not have been so aggressive and just string us along they could have continued to feed us their slop indefinitely without us noticing.

The title should be "US orders diplomats to fight _EU_ data sovereignty initiatives".

Why? Because the US is far too pussy to fight the other countries that have such initiatives - some of them reaching further than the EU's - knowing that unlike the EU those countries are definitely not going to take their shit.

I can tell you that if the US says to Japan or Korea, just to name two such examples, "stop enacting privacy/sovereignty laws that interfere with US big tech or we tariff you" , there's absolutely zero chance they're going to be listened to and the only thing it will do is make people hate the US.

Europe, please Make the Internet Great Again!

'No, you can't leave me, you need me.' Actually, we don't. We used to have a good relationship and you lit it on fire. Bye, US.

While, if you choose to use a US service, it shouldn't be required to host data in your country, if you know it's a US service with data in the US... government data is another thing entirely.. and $cloud provider should be required to accommodate if they want that business, or for companies in a given country for that matter.

Such fine bullshit, of the highest quality.

Distributing infrastructure may slightly reduce efficiency but seems like a good idea for so many reasons: national pride, increased security, more resilience to outside influences, etc.

Yeah that will be a hard no from me. They're not exactly known for their positive attitude towards privacy. And free speech seems to depend on who's aligned with the administration.

The US owned the world’s tech stack and countries let it because it was convenient and despite its problems people mostly trusted the US was on their side. In one year we’ve utterly destroyed that and made ourselves enemies of the democratic world. That Silicon Valley did not see this would threaten its global business says something.

1. China has been completely vindicated for blocking US tech domination of their local economy and creating Chinese versions of basically everything. Tech independence has become an issue of national security; and

2. There's no putting this genie back in the bottle. At some point the EU is going to make it a priority to replace all US tech companies with local alternatives. The EU is kinda dysfunctional so they won't see the success China has but I now consider this outcome inevitable.

This is the insanity of the current administration: it's done so much to destroy US soft power.

Tech companies should be opposing Trump's policy and, instead, beg the Trump administration to grant meaningful concessions to countries that have rightfully lost trust in American companies. Bullying tactics will only intensify the loss of trust and fuel the push to adopt alternatives.

This Roger Stone playbook shit is wild. This admin will piss on your leg and tell you it's raining.

What could go wrong?

Oh. So, like, going from school bully to abusive parent?

Sheesh, what was the approach before this if not confrontational?

It's also probably just good business for the US, but locking down on citizen freedom is the only real reason I've seen countries do it.

This would not be happening if it was not for the US dummy in chief. The EU was looking to do this for a while, but where taking its time until recent events.

For any government in Europe, it should be extremely pressing to untangle itself as quickly as possible from US-based companies as suppliers.

But to be frank, even regulations should be unnecessary here. Private businesses in Europe (and elsewhere) should consider it an existential threat to depend on cloud services from the US. We are all one executive order away from having access cut.

Banning US tech companies without creating (really) fertile grounds for business is just going to be shooting yourself in the foot. A replacement Google won't grow on a farm only fed worker/consumer fertilizer.

It's almost diabolical that the only way Europe can get rid of the US, is to be more like the US.