by testfrequency
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- I do not see the tourism industry mentioned here but I have to imagine that is a huge loss right now.
Most of the world is not visiting the US right now which means projects and planning that was made in anticipation for summer has probably been halted or heavily reduced.
- Here is the official source: https://www.dol.gov/newsroom/economicdata/empsit_03062026.pd...
Some of the main categories (page 8 of the pdf):
- Construction: -11.0k
- Manufacturing: -12.0k
- Transportation and warehousing: -11.3k
- Private education and health services: -34.0k
- Information -11.0k
- Leisure and hospitality -27.0k
It seems to go down in lots of different sectors.
- Unexpectedly, if you've been in a coma for the past year.
Let's raise tariffs again.
- If the government-approved numbers are this bad the real ones must be catastrophic.
by LostMyLogin
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- Both the unemployment rate, at 4.4 percent, and the number of unemployed people, at 7.6 million, changed little in February. (See table A-1. See the note at the end of this news release and tables A and B for more information about the annual population adjustments to the
household survey estimates.)
Among the major worker groups, the unemployment rates for adult men (4.0 percent), adult women (4.1 percent), teenagers (14.9 percent), and people who are White (3.7 percent), Black (7.7 percent), Asian (4.8 percent), or Hispanic (5.2 percent) showed little or no change in February. (See tables A-1, A-2, and A-3.)
The number of long-term unemployed (those jobless for 27 weeks or more) changed little at 1.9 million in February but is up from 1.5 million a year earlier. The long-term unemployed accounted for 25.3 percent of all unemployed people in February. (See table A-12.)
Both the labor force participation rate, at 62.0 percent, and the employment-population ratio, at 59.3 percent, changed little in February. These measures showed little change over the year, after accounting for the annual adjustments to the population controls. (See table A-1. For additional information about the effects of the population adjustments, see the note at the end of this news release and table B.)
The number of people employed part time for economic reasons decreased by 477,000 to 4.4 million in February. These individuals would have preferred full-time employment but were working part time because their hours had been reduced or they were unable to find full-time jobs. (See table A-8.)
The number of people not in the labor force who currently want a job changed little in February at 6.0 million. These individuals were not counted as unemployed because they were not actively looking for work during the 4 weeks preceding the survey or were unavailable to take a job. (See table A-1.)
Among those not in the labor force who wanted a job, the number of people marginally attached to the labor force changed little at 1.6 million in February. These individuals wanted and were available for work and had looked for a job sometime in the prior 12 months but had not looked for work in the 4 weeks preceding the survey. The number of discouraged workers, a subset of the marginally attached who believed that no jobs were available for them, decreased by 109,000 in February to 366,000. (See Summary table A.)
- Since the end of WW2, and especially since the end of the Cold War, Democratic administrations have presided over significantly higher job growth than Republican administrations.
https://arc-anglerfish-washpost-prod-washpost.s3.amazonaws.c...
- There's a vibe in at least the PNW that feels like the tech sector is sloughing jobs and avoiding creating new ones courtesy of AI. I genuinely wonder if that feeling is backed by reality and whether it's large enough to be translating into national statistics across all industries.
by bosch_mind
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- I grew up in the US and lived there for 30 years, but now I live in Europe. Every single one of my friends in their 30's finds visiting the US absolutely terrifying (even those who have previously been). I have yet to meet a single friend in today's day that has expressed any interest in visiting.
- “Unexpectedly” lol
We’ve been digging ourselves a giant AI-inflated hole in the economy for months and folks have just been playing musical chairs to grab as much money as possible before the music stops.
Hard to believe it’s taken this long. I never wanted to live through the late 70s / early 80s economically but I guess I’ll have my chance!
- I expected it. I also expect it to get revised even lower, and the gains from the last couple months to disappear.
I really wish people would realize that prolonging this farce is not in their best interests. The energy potential of the inevitable blowback just keeps building.
- I would like to know how much contraction is normal. I assume there's always some contraction around that time, because the holiday season is ending and the temp workers are being let go. I didn't see any mention of this in the article though (or I missed it).
by epistasis
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- Mass deportation means economic contraction. The administration has promised to deport millions of people. Mass deportations on this scale will have a somewhat drastic effect, and the true mass deportation hasn't even started, because they haven't built enough concentration camps to facilitate the deportations.
Unless it is stopped the job losses will be absolutely massive, and a tiny tiny footnote to the massive human suffering that the stated mass deportation is intended to cause.
by blurbleblurble
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- At this point it seems absolutely intentional. Where I live they're trying to block multiple billions of dollars of already allocated money used to fund county hospitals. Accelerationists in office explicitly declaring intent to bring about Armageddon via official channels? Why would they care about keeping people employed when they don't seem to think there's room for everyone to even live?
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/mar/03/us-israel-iran...
- Your usual reminder not to come to HN for macroeconomic analysis.
- > It marked the biggest monthly job loss since October, when the US government shut down, and came amid concerns that a jump in oil prices sparked by the US-Israel war in Iran could threaten growth.
It seems like a stretch to say anyone was pro-actively fired on the speculation that a war could break out in the middle east; so the war is probably unrelated. That said, if the Strait of Hormuz stays closed for any length of time then something pretty drastic could happen to employment in the future tense.
- What are the current theories about why the perceived(?) healthy unemployment rate is lower post-covid? 4.4% is spectacularly good by historic standards. This has also been the slowest medium-term upswing in unemployment since WWII.
https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/UNRATE
I'd ignore the headline number and wonder what the longer term trend means because this isn't normal.
- For anyone who’s been paying attention, “unexpectedly” is doing a lot of heavy lifting.
- I’m not sure it is unexpected. Jobs dwindle when there’s uncertainty.
And we have a lot of economic, political, and geopolitical uncertainty.
So, if anything, I would be surprised if we don’t see this level of job reduction consistently for at least the rest of the year.
What is less clear to me is whether it will accelerate or whether it will continue for a few years.
by 9wzYQbTYsAIc
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- Seems like a good time to enshrine human rights and the social safety net by ratifying the ICESCR (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Covenant_on_Econ...) and giving human rights the teeth they need.
I used Anthropic to analyze the situation, it did halfway decent:
https://unratified.org/why/
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47263664
by Steve16384
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- Since AI is taking a lot of the jobs and businesses are presumably generating just as much if not more profit due to lower wage costs, I think the world has to align to a new paradigm: a lot of people will be unemployed because the jobs just aren't there any more, but a higher tax on the rich companies can be used to pay for benefits for all the unemployed.
This is the new utopia.
by drivebyhooting
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- Jobs is one facet. But I’d curious to know about inputs and outputs.
Is the US producing more or fewer widgets? Are we generating and consuming more or less energy? How are imports and exports?
If inputs and outputs are staying the same then it would support the narrative of increased efficiency and elimination of BS jobs.
- Why is this unexpected? Seasonal sales hiring is over. Tech is cutting jobs (because AI). Things are generally bleak right now.
by ourmandave
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- On Point on NPR covered January numbers.
Apparently all 130k jobs came from the health care sector with everything else having no growth.
by mekdoonggi
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- Makes sense. At the rate we're going, by 2028 the US is going essentially be Venezuela except AI instead of oil.
by thcipriani
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- Meanwhile, the ADP report[0]: +63k in Feb.
[0]: <https://adpemploymentreport.com/>
by iugtmkbdfil834
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- Current rationalization from right wing commentators:
'normal part of the business cycle'
It is not a bad one. You can definitely argue it both ways.
I personally think there is a lot of self-inflicted pain ahead and position portfolio accordingly.
by verytrivial
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- That's a fine economic statistics operation you've got there. Shame if something were to happen to it.
- "unexpected" only because the agencies responsible for forecasting are partisan yes men.
- 160,000 if you take the revisions into account
- the economy has been shedding jobs back to back now - since nov 2024.
however due to the incompetent and corrupt powers that be - a lot of the news has been suppressed, and even the head of BLS fired.
everyone is struggling - but I guess the economy is doing well coz of the "stock market" as we're told
by Overpower0416
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- And oil is at 90$ and rising... what is the Fed suppose to do at this point
- Nothing unexpected about it.
- Maybe intentionally destroying our own country is a bad idea.
by game_the0ry
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- > "...unexpectedly..."
Really? Anyone here feel like the job market is thriving right now? Anyone surprised?
Bc I was like - yeah, totally, makes sense, not surprised at all.
If anything, I am waiting for that dreaded "business update" calendar invite from HR. I am already researching and taking notes on trade schools. Ready to punch that ticket any day now.
- “Unexpectedly” is doing a lot of work in that sentence
- "we're all trying to find the guy who did this!"
But seriously, antagonizing all of your trading partners and visitors so that tourism dies, your booze industry gets severely wounded, and making things expensive so the world's most efficient kleptocracy can keep feeding itself has some consequences, I guess.
- "Unexpected" Wow, BBC is a joke of a news organization.
by jandrewrogers
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- As a regular reminder, BLS employment model significantly extrapolates the broader economy from government employment, and ADP employment numbers reflect the private sector. These two numbers rarely line up because government employment and private sector employment are only loosely correlated. You need to look at both to have a coherent picture.
The longstanding heuristic is that the most important metric of how bad things are is if ADP < BLS. If government employment is declining it will make the BLS estimates look poor no matter what the rest of the economy is doing. I expect ADP will be negative too but it remains to be seen if it is higher or lower than the BLS number.
- Absolute numbers such as 92k do not give full picture. About half million jobs get added every month and there are 165 million people employed in USA.
by bryanrasmussen
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- I didn't expect a precise number of course, so in that way it's true, and frankly I expected this sooner, but those little acknowledgements out of the way I'd say I sure expected it and so did a lot of other people.
- Wasn't this always the idea behind combating inflation? At the end of the day you need to make people poorer to make the dollar worth more...
by mikelitoris
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- Unexpectedly… right
- So the only golden age is the gaudy gold he added to the white house and the profits for all of his oligarch friends/defense contractors etc. while everybody else suffers.
Let them eat cake.
by JimmaDaRustla
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- Bullish
by phendrenad2
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- And if they're saying 92k, just wait until the obligatory 3-months-later revision where they say "once again, oopsie, we miscounted, it's actually 50% worse".
by kylehotchkiss
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- I find this policy of "reduce housing prices by economic catastrophe" instead of just like making the army core of engineers build 2-4 million housing units to be like hitting a nail with a jackhammer
by reactordev
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- “Unexpectedly”
Right…
- Maybe they're all just tired of winning.
by AndrewKemendo
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- People were looking for the AI productivity metrics and here they are
by learingsci
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- Definitely not AI. We all know about Jeeves paradox. It must be the taxes on corporations (tarrifs). Taxes on business are always bad.
- It's going to be 92,001 after they fire whoever reported something to make dear leader look bad.
by SecretDreams
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- Crazy thing is people will vote for this again. Some against their best interest. Others because they appreciate the divide that comes from this type of admin.
- this is my surprised face
by veryemartguy
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- Fuck Jews fuck Jews fuck Jews
- but at least we're great again, right?
by buellerbueller
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- Worst president ever.
by metalliqaz
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- "Unexpectedly" to nobody with an actual job.
by spiderfarmer
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- The only people left defending the economic “policies” by the current administration are the people who are in a position to profit from all the confusion and chaos.
Add to that the people who don’t understand that they are being fleeced and who’ll continue to support theire heroes because of pride, hatred, nihilism or misinformed idealism.
There is a vocal minority in the last bracket, but I’m convinced they are being amplified by an army of bots.
by shevy-java
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- Trump is too busy bombing other countries. All that money goes to the private military complex.
- "Trump being president" and "unexpected loss of jobs" does not fit together.
by noah_buddy
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- At some point, one should ask oneself, “is fully breaking the system the point?”
In the recent Epstein releases, Epstein told Thiel that the best deals come from a system on the way to collapse. I think at this point it’s reasonable to consider that this is what Trump and his allies are trying to do. Crash the US economy so severely that they might use their ill-gotten wealth to buy an outsized portion of it.
- "unexpectedly"
by bdangubic
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- Blame it on Biden or "AI"? (should have made this into a poll... :) )
- Unexpectedly?
BBC is really full style right wing propaganda machine now. This time propaganda by omission (like those articles about Brexit where they never gave "no Brexit" as an option).
Zero commentary on tariffs, zero commentary about tourism and ICE, nothing about other policies.
by gigatexal
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- What a favorable headline. In reality everyone knows why the economy isn’t growing: Trump’s policies are paradoxically anti business given his public persona of this big bad amazing businessman. The guy failed at selling steaks in America. In America.
by standardUser
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- Imagine running a company with any exposure to Trump's schizophrenic tariffs. I wouldn't hire either.
by fishcrackers
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- "unexpectedly"
by chazburger
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- And yet the fed refuses to lower interest rates