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MiniMax M2.5 is trained by Claude Opus 4.6?

7 points by Orellius

by throwaw12

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Isn't it great news for us?
You get an open model which is a 95% of Opus 4.6 quality and 80% cheaper in most inference providers and also can run on your own hardware
Also they did the hard parts of:
* crawling the content
* running the fine tuning (or training)
Better than 1 or 2 companies taking control of the whole AI economy

by evan-dong

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You really can’t trust what an LLM says about its own identity. If it has seen tons of chats saying “I’m Claude / GPT‑4 / DeepSeek”, it will just echo that pattern in similar contexts. That’s more about dataset contamination and pattern matching than any real evidence it is that model.

by muzani

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They all are trained by each other. Claude says it's DeepSeek if you ask it in Mandarin.

by pogue

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Is theft of theft theft?

by orbital-decay

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If it was, that line is not an indicator. Distillation is done on useful prompts, not on "Who are you?" - "I'm this model of that company".
Name training is always shallow, Claude itself would claim it's GPT-3, GPT-4, or Reddit (heh) when confused. It's just dataset contamination, because the web is full of slop. Never trust self-reported names.

by SilverElfin

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This has been a common issue with the Chinese open weight models. It appears most or all have been trained via distillation on OpenAI and Anthropic models.