by _doctor_love
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- This might sound like snark, but I truly don’t mean it that way.
I think what’s interesting about AI, and why there’s so much conversation, is that in order to be a good user of AI, you have to really understand software development. All the people I work with who are getting the most value out of using AI to deliver software are people who are already very high-skilled engineers, and the more years of real experience they have, the better.
I know some guys who were road warriors for many years —- everything from racking and cabling servers, setting up infrastructure, and getting huge cloud deployments going all the way to embedded software, video game backends, etc. These guys were already really good at automation, seeing the whole life cycle of software, and understanding all the pressure points. For them, AI is the ultimate power tool. They’re just flying with it right now. (All of them also are aware that the AI vampire is very real.)
There’s still a lot to learn, and the tools are still very, very early on, but the value is clear.
I think for quite a few people, engaging with AI is maybe the first time ever in their entire career they are having to engage with systems thinking in a very concrete and directed way. Consequently, this is why so many software engineers are having an identity crisis: they’ve spent most of their career focusing on one very small section of the overall SDLC, meanwhile believing that was mostly all there was that they needed to know.
So I think we’re going to keep talking for quite a while, and the conversation will continue to be very unevenly distributed. Paradoxically, I’m not bored of it, because I’m learning so much listening to intelligent people share their learnings.
- This is bad in tech. But at least we are (relatively) well equipped to deal with it.
My partner teaches at a small college. These people are absolutely lost, with administration totally sold on the idea that "AI is the future" while lacking any kind of coherent theory about how to apply it to pedagogy.
Administrators are typically uncritically buying into the hype, professors are a mix of compliant and (understandably) completely belligerent to the idea.
Students are being told conflicting information -- in one class that "ChatGPT is cheating" and in the very next class that using AI is mandatory for a good grade.
Its an absolute disaster.
by delbronski
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- AI is starting to look like a net negative for humanity. I remember the early days of OpenAI. I was super excited about it. There was a new space to uncover and learn about. I was hopeful.
Now I have this love/hate relationship with it. Claude Code is amazing. I use it everyday because it makes me so much more efficient at my job. But I also know that by using it I’m contributing to making my job redundant one day.
At the same time I see how much resources we are wasting on AI. And to what end? Does anybody really buy the BS that this will all make the world a better place one day? So many people we could shelter and feed, but instead we are spending it on trying to make your computer check and answer your emails for you. At what point do we just look up and ask… what is the damn purpose of all of this? I guess money.
by chatmasta
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- What I miss is people showing off their hand-crafted libraries or frameworks. That’s become way less common now that everyone is building a layer up the stack. I fear we’ll be stuck in a permanent state of using Tailwind and React and all the LLM-favored libraries as they were frozen in time at the beginning of 2025. Then again, that’ll be the agent’s problem, not mine…
All that said, it’s extremely exciting. I’ve been in tech, in one way or another, for 25 years. This is the most energizing (and simultaneously exhausting) atmosphere I’ve ever felt. The 2006-2011 years of early Facebook, Uber, etc. were exciting but nothing like this. The future is developing faster than we can process it.
by jvanderbot
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- How do I answer this without spamming: Yes, very much.
Everyone is in their own place adapting (or not) to AI. The disconnect b/w even folks on the same team is just crazy. At least it's gotten more concrete (here's what works for me, what do you do) vs catastrophizing jobpocolypse or "teh singularity", at least on day to day conversations.
- I’m sad that it’s crowded out all the interesting stuff I used to love learning about on HN.
by nancyminusone
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- Among non-programmers, you always hear about some fool that fell in love with an AI girlfriend or whatever, but you never hear about the people who open chatgpt up once, tried some things with it, said to themselves "huh, that's kind of neat" and then lost interest a day or two later, having conceived of no further items to which AI could provide assistance.
- It's a black box that thinks for me, sometimes it's good, sometimes it's bad, sometimes it times out.
I am extremely skeptical of AI products anyone builds. It's just using one black box to build scaffolding around another black box and then typically want to charge money for it. I don't see any value there.
- OK, if you take "talking about AI" to mean just talking about "three different people’s (almost identical) Claude code workflow and yet another post about how you got OpenClaw to stroke your cat and play video games" then sure, that would be pretty boring.
But I don't see it that way. I've been fascinated by AI since I was a little kid (watching Max Headroom, Knight Rider, Whiz Kids, Wargames, Tron, Short Circuit, etc in the 80's) up through college in the 1990's when I first read about the 1956 Dartmouth AI workshop that kicked the field off, and up to today where we have the most powerful AI systems we've had. Every single bit of this stuff is wildly fascinating to me, but that's at least in part because I recognize (or "believe" if you will) that there's a lot more to "AI" than just "LLM's" or "Generative AI".
I still believe there are plenty of neural network architectures that haven't been explored yet, plenty more meat on the bone of metaheuristics, all sorts of angles on neuro-symbolic AI to work on, etc. And even "Agents" are pretty exciting when you go back and read the 90's era literature on Agents and realize that the things passing for "Agents" right now are a pretty thin reflection of what Agents can be. Really understanding MAS's involves economics, game theory, computer science, maybe even a hint of sociology.
As such, I still find AI fascinating and love talking about it... at least in the right context and with the right people. :-)
And besides... as they[1] say: "Swarm mode is sick fun".
[1]: https://static0.srcdn.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2022/...
- I really like this paragraph about management caring about AI:
> What makes this worse, is our bosses have bought into it this time too. My managers never cared much about database technologies, IDE’s or javascript frameworks; they just wanted the feature so they could sell it. Management seems to have stepped firmly and somewhat haphazardly into the implementation detail now. I reckon most of us have got some sort of company initiative to ‘use more AI’ in our objectives this year.
- I'm like 99% convinced that most of the AI conversation upvotes at this point is astroturfing. I just don't see the correlation with the sentiment I get from talking to people in the real world (mostly negative AI sentiment) vs what I see here
- I'm old enough to remember being fatigued with so many people talking about making "apps". Programs that run on a phone. Before that everyone was excited about blogging. Web 2.0 ugh.
Before that we were excited about the wheel and the creation of fire. All capital drained into those ephemeral fancies.
The cycles cycle on.
- Gosh how i miss the old HN Days… where one would actually code, read docs, and develop stuff and feel happy about it. Not write a prompt and watch a chatbox do all the work in a matter of seconds. It’s like we’re losing the meaning of building something… dk how to explain it more. But yeah, it’s tech! Nothing stays the same
- “Everything has already been said, but not yet by everyone.”
— Karl Valentin
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Personally, I'm still very interested in the topic.
But since the tech is moving very fast, the discussion is just very very unevenly distributed: There's lots of interesting things to say. But a lot of takes that were relevant 6 months ago are still being digested by most.
by mememememememo
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- Yes. Go to Mastodon. I accidently stumbled on Mastodon last night (I knew about it of course but largely ignored it). Of the 100 or so posts they were all cool stuff. Only one was AI related and it was more a researchy geeky thing than the brainrot "I fired all my staff an hour ago. They were not happy. CRLF. CRLF. I have an agentic circus and I am the ringmaster of 666 agents. CRLF....." crap you get on Linked in.
- To answer your question directly: yes I am bored of talking about AI. I think it’s funny how the folks who are screaming most loudly about their AI expertise typically have not built anything of value with it. They are so focused on the tool they have forgotten that the output is what mattered all along
by jimmyjazz14
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- I think the advancements around models and such are still somewhat interesting but its all the hype around peripheral things like OpenClaw, agentic workflows and other hyped up AI-adjacent news that are getting pretty old.
by marcus_holmes
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- It's a conversational black hole. Every meeting with tech folks converges on what they're doing with LLMs these days.
Our local tech meetup is implementing an "LLM swear jar" where the first person to mention an LLM in a conversation has to put a dollar in the jar. At least it makes the inevitable gravitational pull of the subject somewhat more interesting.
- Yes, my wife asks me to shut up when I mention AI. Hah
by mr_bob_sacamano
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- I wish there were a filter on Hacker News to hide all AI related posts.
by bichiliad
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- This kind of feels like the same thing in which people talk more about the cameras they have instead of the photos they make, or the modular synth they built instead of the album they're working on with it. It's nice when it's confined to your hobby, but it's so weird when the whole world is talking about it. Imagine everyone going to a concert just to see the gear on the stage.
- I think what's crazy is the desire to replicate current day corporate structures. Look at this multi agent Jira story reading bot that builds stuff cause we let it churn overnight. Like the whole idea that you don't need that nonsense to build something amazing.
by marginalia_nu
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- I think it's kinda double whammy, one the one hand working with AI leaves a lot of 5-15 minute breaks perfect for squeezing in a comment on a HN thread, while also supplanting the sort of work that would typically lead to interesting ideas or projects, substituting it with work that isn't that interesting to talk about (or at least hasn't been thought about for long enough to have interesting things to say).
- I’m bored of using the AI for anything other than my work. Because with my work I can give very detailed and structured prompts and get the best results, while also being able to evaluate the answer. For everything else I’m kinda worn out by second guessing all the time or having to enter a long thread until I get a decent response.
- Is it a requirement to never write an article about AI without explicitly saying how “amazing”, “extraordinary” or “breathtaking” it is before saying anything else? It is like asking for forgiveness before the blasphemy. Forgive me, God, I know how incredible you are, but why do you need us talking about you all the time? How long until we start talking about AI for what it is, a normal technology, without the risk of being condemned for heresy?
- I'm largely bored of wrappers, what still interests me are the new modalities of models being released and progressed on like small local VLMs, voice to voice and tts
- I’m confused why the hype and the investment got so high. And why everyone treats it like a race. Why can’t we gradually develop it like dna sequencing.
- Not at all -- I am building more and more. But I've been doing AI/ML since 2005 -- and there is always more to learn.
The new GenAI architectures and tooling supported by them just give more fun things to do and fun ways to do it.
- Very much so. I wouldn't mind some interesting projects or results. But it's very basic opinions or parables all over again.
- I wish there was an option to hide AI stories on HN, and AI-related repos on Github's trending page.
You could use AI to do it! Fight fire with fire.
I'm neutral on AI - so far it seems useful but flawed. But I don't want to hear about it constantly.
by flowerthoughts
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- I'm starting to believe that AGI really will cause a singularity, even before the technology exists: it's the only thing that will be talked about in my circles. People will forget to eat, families will be divided and split apart, houses will be foreclosed on due to neglect to pay the bills. It will be technology's last and eternal heroin high. The one you never experience coming down from.
by deathanatos
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- I mean, yes, I am bored. The emperor has no clothes.
I "tried" Claude the other day. It gave me 3 options for choosing, effectively, an API to call an AI. The first were sort of off limits, b/c my company… while I think we have a Claude Pro Max Ultra+ XL Premium S account, it's Conway's Law'd. But, oh, I can give it a vertex API key! "I can probably probably get one of those" — I thought to myself. The CLI even links you to docs, and … oh, the docs page is a 404. But the 404's prose misrepresents it as a 500.
Maybe Claude could take a bit of its own medicine before trying to peddle it on me?
We're on like our 8th? 9th? Github review bot. Absolutely none of them (Claude included) is seemingly capable of writing an actual suggestion. Instead of "your code is trash, here's a patch" I get a long-form prose explanation of what I need to change, which I must then translate into code. That's if it is correct. The most recent comment was attached to the wrong line number: "f-string that does not need to be an f-string on line 130" — this comment, mind you, the AI has put on line 50. Line 130? "else:" — no f-strings in sight.
"Phd level intelligence."
- I don't think I'm quite bored. I'm exhausted/fatigued with the pace.
- AI is fine. The hype is annoying. What's even worse though are the incredible amounts of money and energy that are being thrown at it, with no regard for the consequences, in times of record inequality and looming climate apocalypse.
AI is the red herring that'll waste all our attention until it's too late.
- No, well, I still enjoy the articles. The thing that always surprises me is the negativity in comment threads. I'm genuinely quite excited about AI based development. Yesterday I was playing around with developing a marketing plan for a market gap where we could leverage our product and finding what features in our product would need changing/adding to improve our offering. Quite interesting results!
- I'm kind of bored by AI promotion posts that pretend to be about something else.
by abcde666777
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- The topic of AI triggers people in various ways - anxiety and uncertainty about the future, frustration with excessive hype, and the debate between people on each side of the fence.
It will calm down once the dust starts to settle and there's some kind of consensus on how the chips have fallen.
Also there is an irony that talking about being sick of talking about AI is still talking about AI.
by steve-atx-7600
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- “But they were all using basically the same hammer in the same way, so they were just screaming the same shit at each other at the top of their voices.” I don’t see it this way. I think we’re watching the nature of software engineering change permanently and profoundly in the span of months. Claude code 2026 and later means most engineers will no longer write most of their code. The nature of the work still includes design, but now requires dedication to figuring out how to break down work onto Claude instances and do so in an easily verifiable way.
by agentictrustkit
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- Initially I rally had a bad taste in my mouth. It had forced me to close a business (video editing). Recently its gone a different direction so I would say the "interest" part got a resurgence for me. I'm seeing all of theses tools, people, and systems promise "can do this..." and "can do that..." but because I have a background in trust law and trust creation I've looked at things differently.
I think the "can do" part gets boring but now I'm paralleling this to trust relationships and fiduciary responsiblities. What I mean is that we can not only instruct but then put a framework around an agent much like we do a trustee where they are compelled to act in the best interests of the beneficiaries (the human that created them in this case).
Anyway it's got me thinking in a different way.
by PixelForg
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- I'm so conflicted about it. My main worry is that I go all in and when I'm used to it the prices increase drastically and I can't work without it.
I'm also learning art and I'll never use AI here, so I thought I have less time for hobby programming and I could just use AI for that but then I come back to the concern I mentioned above.Plus I can't proudly share anything I made with it either because I wouldn't have done much of the work at all.
I'm also feeling burnt out about web dev in general and doing the same thing during my free time just feels like more work to my brain. I wish I could find something interesting to do, and if I don't I'll quit programming in free time for good.
- Most of boring is about people thinking AI is really intelligent. Thinking that it is magic. With magic comes the ghosts instead bugs. Who was lazy, will become even lazier. Engineers will keep building bridges... and also software.
As shown in "Normal Accidents" the strength is as high as its weaknesses, and in any complex system this is even more a problem. A catastrophic event is still to happen with AI as it happened in basically every complex system. They ocurred with trained people that wasnt believing in magic or laziness... so the scenario is even worse for AI.
Yes, I'm bored about people that believe in magic and the ghosts the are emerging and are yet to be seen.
- The worst part in all that noise: ask your customers what they need ; they will tell you "AI features". No matter what it is, or even how it compares to more traditional approaches when it comes to solving their pains. These two letters got beyond obsession.
- It is getting stuffy in the tech sector lately with all these AI postings but it's still a very new and very disruptive technology.
I also have to say that I don't use AI in my personal or professional life. And that is simply because I haven't felt any need to use it.
by obsidianbases1
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- No, but definitely tired of the "influencer" takes. You would think that this AI thing has been all but figured out, when really, even with the biggest openest claws we are still barely scratching the surface of a new era human-computer interaction
- I like the analogy to woodwork and hammer. It fits perfectly to what happens when they do not pay enough attention to the end result. They are not showing the actual product because it is not as shiny as their new agentic hammer.
- Yes — talking and hearing/reading about it. I don’t fault folks for being excited when first getting into ut, but it’s rare to hear anything new said. And what is new is increasingly niche and unlikely to have any application to what I do.
- So then...don't talk about it? Do your job. Go home. Spend time with family. Find some non-tech hobbies. The solution isn't to change the world but to break your social media addiction (and yes, HN/Linkedin/X are included).
by tomjakubowski
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- I'm becoming more bullish on AI, but it's still frustrating how much of the metaphorical oxygen it's taking. I feel like I'm hearing less about developments in software tech outside of AI fields.
- It's just a buzzword that draws more attention and more clicks. I also use AI for some projects, but it can be annoying when companies try to incorporate it in places it doesn't belong.
- yes. it's like a giant finger pointing at the moon, and everyone's talking about the finger.
- Yes, and I'm increasingly bored of talking about 'the internet'. AI definitely plays a part in that, I don't want to deal with randomly generated articles or content. But even regular content, like YouTube shorts, are unhealthy for the human brain.
I'm currently reading non-things by Byung-Chul Han, which is an interesting exploration of internet's impact on humanity/humans. Haven't finished it yet, but enjoying it so far.
- Nope, not bored at all. I'm clicking on most HN AI threads out of sheer curiosity, eager to learn new techniques and see what folks are thinking or building. Given its transformative ripple effects, AI feels like the single biggest shift reshaping the economy and society right now. Kind of the opposite of boring.
- AI is not going to reduce human hubris in fact it is making it stronger.
- Management is cargo culting the tooling without grasping what AI is actually good at. Because they don't look at it. Meanwhile smart blue collar guys are only limited by their willingness to ask questions. Because they do. It's the difference between the performance of work and work. The most fascinating aspect about AI may just be what it tells us about people, work, and society.
- Judging from the number of comments, it seems that this follows the universal rule of 'yes/no question in the headline' where the answer is always 'no'.
- God yes. I'm of the same mindset: I use it often, think it's great and revolutionary, but... why do we need to talk about it so much?
My technical interests are varied, and it's so boring to come to HN and see that a third (or more) of the front page is about AI.
Enough already. Let's talk about other things! And yes, I know, I should be a part of the solution and submit more articles.
- I love AI, think its super useful, I use claude daily and follow the industry closely but I would love to go a day without hearing about it
by leontrolski
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- Yes, AI or no AI, tell me about something actually interesting that you're working on.
Currently it feels a bit like everyone is talking about what new editor they're using. I don't care about that type of developer tooling very much. AI isn't coming up with some exciting new database, type system, etc etc.
"Look at how I'm able to web dev x% faster" because of LLMs is boring.
by laughing_man
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- Software developers are not going to stop talking about "AI" as long as it has such a huge potential for putting them out of work.
- It's ruined the sparkle emoji for everyone.
- Many of AI articles that I see on Hacker News just don't seem particularly interesting, and the comments end up heavily talking about AI in general, rather than the article.
> seems to have devolved into three different people’s (almost identical) Claude code workflow
I do feel like I've seen a number of those articles.
- It's not just tech, I think a lot of the internet is just about one topic. Its a very fascinating topic but its taken over the zeitgeist and the world is becoming a pretty boring place
- only of people constantly complaining about it like they have some special insight
by magic_hamster
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- I see AI as a new, unreliable resource that I can try and tame with good software practices. It's an incredibly fun challenge and there's a lot to learn.
- Everything is fandom now. I grew up around people obsessed with Nascar and NFL. So much of the discourse sounds exactly the same. It beats listening to people talk about their dogs though.
by kabir_forest
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- Using Ai for writing, Now I first try to draft things out of my mind and then ask it to find mistakes and red flags.
Asking it to draft was weakening my own skills.
- I deeply wish to hear about other tech trends; I get enough of use more ai, do more with less, and ship faster at work. I'd rather hear about new tools and techniques here
- The debate around "AGI" is the thing that gets me. People just moving goalposts and arbitrarily applying their own standards makes for a lot of wheel spinning
- I'm not.
At least I'm not tired of talking about how it's killing websites and filling everything with spam. I have spent most of a decade building a useful resource, and Google AI overviews has killed my traffic. It killed everyone's traffic. This thing gave me purpose, and I'm watching AI slowly strangle it.
I mourn the death of the independent web, and it frightens me that this is still the happy stage. We haven't yet felt the effect of stiffing content creators, and the LLM tools haven't yet begun to enshittify.
I am tired of discussions about agentic coding, but I would feel a lot better if we acknowledged all the harm being caused. Big tech went all in on this, stealing everything, putting everyone out of work, using up all resources with no regards for consequences, and they threaten to kill the economy if we don't let them have their way.
I feel like we are heading for a much worse place as a society, and all we can talk about is how to 10x our bullshit jobs, because we're afraid of falling behind.
by Fr0styMatt88
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- I’m bored of people on YouTube talking about it, that’s for sure.
Everythink devolves from “cool that was a nice single video” to “here’s my schtick…. AGAIN”.
by EmilySmith23
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- Yes very much, kinda crazy too. Everything right now evolves around AI and I'm really thinking about taking a break.
- At first I read "Is anybody else bored of talking TO AI?" And now I realised I am at both.
- No, because what most people miss about AI is that…
I’m just kidding. LinkedIn feed became so unbearable, that I had to install an extension to turn it off.
- I've been sick of it since 2022.
- It's the most transformative technology I've clocked in my lifetime (and that includes home computers and the Internet).
Large organizations are making major decisions on the basis of it. Startups new and old will live and die by the shift that it's creating (is SaaS dead? Well investors will make it so). Mass engineering layoffs could be inevitable.
Sure. I vibe coded a thing is getting pretty tired. The rest? If anything we're not talking about it enough.
by brightball
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- A little, yes. It’s starting to feel like “blockchain” from a topic exhaustion standpoint, just more useful.
by htx80nerd
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- I'm bored of the everyday Claude spam. I've used Claude extensively and it was very sub par.
by jFriedensreich
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- Honestly, I am really surprised to not be bored of it more. Yet it seems to be existential enough, diversifying and developing fast enough to stay interesting. If the tooling gets boring, there will be some drama, if the corporate side gets boring, there will be some local inference maxxer, if all of that is boring there is some new alignment topic. What is even more surprising is no people around me seem to be tired of talking about it either. If i start talking about it, especially to non devs, I often pause to check If they can't hear it anymore, sometimes even ask explicitly but so far no one seemed to mind or even embrace it.
by anonzzzies
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- I can see why people would he, but it is amazing tech when used right; as others here said; if you are an experienced developer, you can get a lot of mileage out of it. If you are not a dev or a bad dev, you might struggle because of over estimating what it can do for you.
The most frustrating about AI I find is that it is (trying to) replacing things that I like; writing, art, programming while leaving me with the things I absolutely hate like testing, chores etc. I do like reading code, so thats not a big issue; I spent most of the day doing that before AI, however, being a fulltime QA was always my nightmare but here we are; AI sucks at it for a more than trivial frontend and backend its not that good at either (I should write the tests or rather tell the AI in detail what to test for otherwise it will just positively test what it indeed wrote; not what the spec says it had to write in many cases).
But no, I like talking about AI, just not so much about slop, trivial usage (show hn; here is a SaaS to turn you into a rabbit!) or hyperbole (our jubs!) (Although I do believe it is the end of code; like said; I read and review code all day but have not written much for the past 6 months while working on complex non trivial SaaS projects; I am with antirez; it is automatic coding, not vibecoding for me).
- Let's get back to filling the front page with Web3, DeFi, NFTs. Oh the good ol' days.
- Yes!
Sounds very much like this blog I read too… he laughs at AI in his workplace a lot
Www.sometimesworking.com
- yes, so bored. yada yada.. i've been 'obsolete' for 36 years and counting.
- I am. To keep talking about it I might just deploy a chatbot to do that for me.
by cesarvarela
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- As someone who has been in tech for 20+ years, I can say this is the most exciting it has ever been.
I've been spamming some auto research loops, and it is so addictive. Think about how many of humanity's problems will be solved because of this. Of course, it will also disappoint, like, we are still waiting for flying cars, but man, this is a unique moment in history.
- Never tired of talking about AI. There are so many fascinating aspects to explore and papers delivering new ideas. It's a bit tiring keeping up with the new stuff but talking about what we've found is one of the things that makes it easier to keep up.
I'm somewhat tired of seeing the same rehashed claims of future ability, non-ability, profit, loss.
I actually like talking about the implications, future risks and challenges of AI. I have made submissions on ways AI should be regulated to benefit society. The problem is the assumption of what is happening and what will happen.
To many people seem to enter the conversation feeling that the absence of doubt is the same thing as being informed.
And especially people making claims based on premises that they seem to believe that if they build big enough towers on them, they will become true.
The number one thing that bothers me in all this, is people assuming the contents of the minds of others.
I find the pathologising of Sam Altman to be the most egregious form of this. It is one thing to disagree with someone's decisions, another thing to disagree with their stated opinions, but to decide upon a person's character based upon what you believe they are thinking in their private thoughts is simply projection.
I know this is an opinion of little worth to many, but my impression of Sam Altman is just a person who has different perspectives to me. The capitalist tech world he lives in would inevitably shape different values to me. What I have seen of him is consistent with a sincere expression of values. I can accept that a person might do something different to what I would, even the opposite of what I want while believing that they can be doing so for reasons that seem to be morally the right thing to do.
This also happened with cryptocurrency. Crypto advocates believe that it is a good thing for the world. Too many consider those who believe that crypto could benefit society to be evil. There is a difference between being wrong and being evil. No matter how certain you are you can still be wrong, in fact beyond a point I would say increased certancy would indicate a higher likelihood of being wrong.
So I'm happy to talk about AI. I have plenty to learn. I wonder if others went in with the goal to learn whether they would find it less tiring.
by vincentabolarin
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- Management spins up something on Lovable and believes that building any software is as easy as typing a few prompts.
It's worse when there's a colleague of yours encouraging that by using AI blindly, piling up technical debt just to move at the pace that Management expects after signing you all up on some AI tool.
At the end of the day, everyone is talking about AI. For AI or against AI, it doesn't really matter.
- How does such a shallow post get so much attention? It's a circle meeting of engineers having a crisis? If so I'm happy to accelerate it by posting here and numbers go up.
- To answer the OP's question, apparently not! :)
- Yes. The problem is the level of the conversations: "AI is good for this. It's not good. It gaslights." It doesn't come out of that. If we were talking about the actual layers in the models and how they interconnect, at least there would be quite a bit of variety in the conversations. Also conversations about how is all about to end tend to be fun if the interlocutors are creative enough.
But the sooner we get to the part of history with the chromy-killer-robots and people-sabotaging-datacenters-and-foundries, the sooner we will get some meaningful excitement.
- Of course talking about AI is boring.
The analogy is someone from the 19th century talking about their slaves all day which is of course nonsense because they had other things to talk about.
by lwansbrough
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- It seems some people in this thread are not :)
by CrzyLngPwd
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- Yup.
Bored of hearing about it, bored of reading about it.
I love using these LLM tools, but honestly, it feels like every man and his dog has something to say about it, and is angling to make a quick buck or two from it.
And the slop, oh my goodness, it's never-ending on every site and service.
by zeroonetwothree
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- It's all we can talk about at work and I'm really tired of it. Yes, I use Claude every day to write 98% of my code, but it's fine we can talk about other things. We don't have to talk about the tools we are using constantly. And yes no one knows exactly what will happen, how much better it will get, will we lose our jobs, and other concerns. All of that is something you could worry about, but there's nothing to be done in continuously discussing it.
by SunshineTheCat
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- I definitely get the comment about HN and seeing a billion posts about OpenClaw, Claude, or yet another post on an industry being disrupted by AI.
Tack on to that the increasing number of political stuff on here as well just makes it less and less an interesting place to visit.
Don't agree with the angry mob on the political stuff especially and you get downvoted/flagged into oblivion.
Just another echo chamber looking to have viewpoints confirmed in yet another one of the disappearing places online that foster any level of intellectual curiosity.
by jimjimjim
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- It feels like during the previous hype cycle of bitcoins, blockchains and NFTs. People are trying to find uses for new technologies but it seems like a lot of the conversations come from people (at this point I guess it's still people?) trying to increase the hype. Maybe they are trying to be thought leaders or maybe they are trying to boost some stock valuations.
by HoldOnAMinute
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- Anything to distract from the real war, billionaires vs everyone else.
- You may be bored of AI, but because AI is not yet bored of us, turning away may be dangerous.
- Modern AI is a miracle. The math that makes it work is beautiful and really impressive. For example, if you wanted to map all knowledge on earth, how would you do it? AI answers that question by building a high dimensional vector space of embeddings, and traversing that space moves you through a topology of basically every concept that humans have.
Or another thought; why is it that a stochastic parrot can solve logic puzzles consistently and accurately? It might not be 100%, but it’s still much better than what you might expect from a markov model of ngrams.
Openclaw is only sort of interesting. How to vibe code your first product is uninteresting. Claims about productivity increase from model usage are speculative and uninteresting. Endless think pieces on the effects of AI slop are uninteresting. There’s a lot of hype and grift and bullshit that is downstream of this very interesting technology, and basically none of that is interesting. The cool parts are when you actually open the models up and try to figure out what’s going on.
So no, I’m not bored of talking about AI. I’m not sure I ever will be. My suspicion is that those who are bored of it aren’t digging deep enough. With that said, that will likely only be interesting to people who think math is fun and cool. On the whole, AI is unlikely to affect our lives in proportion to the ink spilled by influencers.
- I'm not bored of the technology per se but the people around it. The yappers, doomers, and the shills are insufferable.
- I sure am bored of talking about AI. Always the same points pro and con being rehashed, it's so tiring. But what do you know, all this comment thread does is to continue talking about AI. We who are bored of it seem to be a tiny minority.
by doug_durham
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- Nope. It remains the most dynamic and impactful area in software today. I'm sure it will fade in to common practice over the next few years and become less talked about. I find it infinitely more interesting than yet another article talking about the wonders/horrors of the Rust borrow checker.
by germandiago
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- Exhausted.
- I'm bloody sick of it, but more exhausted than bored.
My workflow that was pretty stable for years, keeps changing massively on an almost monthly basis and that means I'm already skipping the fads of the week.
What's more annoying is that it feels actually worth it and thus keeps me churning.
- Not just tech, AI conversations seem to be dominating all conversations online. It's either people talking about it or posting slop made by it. Its fascinating tech but it's making the world a boring place
by mirekrusin
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- Talking about AI being boring is boring as hell for sure.
by sunaookami
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- No.
- Kinda tired of being inundated with low quality AI slop absolutely everywhere.
by leephillips
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- I’m certainly tired of hearing about it. HN is inundated by repetitive, boring AI articles. This helps a bit I think: https://hn-ai.org/.
- Yes. My Android feed's Github repos are always AI these days. HN is 50+% AI posts. And I just built a NAS that is about 50% more expensive than it would have been without AI.
I'm so exhausted by this and ready for the economic crash.
- Like many endeavors, the most vocal in favor or against aren't really doing much. The people actually succeeding with AI probably aren't interested in giving away their secrets.
AI is especially sensitive to this. Unlike coding, where giving away the secret sauce also makes you look smart, divulging AI secrets only demystifies you -- revealing the shriveling man behind the Wizards curtain.
So anyone boasting about AI is likely not doing anything useful with it.
Similar to finance tips, btw.
by somelamer567
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- I remember how annoying Ray 'Nerd Rapture' Kurzweil was twenty years ago with his "Singularity" stuff, and quietly thankful that he isn't anywhere near as in-my-face today as he was back in the day.
As bad as the AI hype wave is now, I can't help but wonder if it could have been even worse.
- i am tired of the desparation of the hype machine.
by johnbarron
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- Yes, all this talk about AI is extremely distracting...
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/LDPDDS3HaGo
- Yes!
There are other interesting things in the world today, and HN is overwhelmed with pretend intelligence.
Hype, detractors, ALL OF IT!
Maybe a separate web page or RSS feed could be created that is dedicated to the subject...
- Oh great, we're at the stage of constantly talking about it, AND talking about how we're sick of talking about it. Now every article will be as long as before + a prefix paragraph explaining how they know we're all sick of talking about it, but...
by somewhereoutth
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- My only hope is that it is such a disaster that it is effectively an extinction level event for this current technoscene (along the lines of the Permian–Triassic extinction event and others).
Then we can get back to the unglamorous, boring, thankless task of delivering business value to paying clients, and the public discourse will no longer be polluted by our inane witterings.
- You can call an engineer a "product manager" but that does not make them one.
- Yepp.
by luxuryballs
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- “it’s all starting to feel a bit… routine” and that’s how I know it’s going to replace me if I stay an employee
- Not me
- AI has become a commodity- for the better or worse. And yes, we should treat it as such, especially no more big ideas from (C-level) managers, please.
- Over the last couple of years I've realized how shitty and tiring it is to do anything at all on the computer. Reading something like Reddit was tiring before, because of spam, submarine advertising, etc. But it was still worth it because the signal to noise ratio was still there. Now? No way. Easily 50% of comments are AI generated.
I used to have this idea that if I built something cool it would be valuable to donate it to the world for free. But now increasingly I'd be just making a donation to the training data, and on top of this I'm in competition with AI slop. Most people won't tell the difference and won't care. The noise floor for doing absolutely anything collaboratively on the computer is now 10x higher than it was before, and I'm basically checked out at this point. Even HN is becoming tiring to read since I think around 10-15% of comments that I read are AI generated. When that number reaches 30% I'm done forever, gone. My life is too short to waste time on this shit.
- I'm just getting started ;)
- If its becoming just another thing in the toolbox that means its winning. Boring and useful tech stays around.
- I couldn't wait for the bubble to pop, everything is getting tied to AI KPIs.
- i've been tired of hearing about AI for about 10 years, now. and throughout that time, it's only gotten worse and worse and worse.
- The replies lol.
"Yes" Proceeds to talk about AI.
by PowerElectronix
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- AI is an ok tool.
by josefritzishere
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- Bored is a nice way to say it. Never has a technology been so odious also been so ubiquitous.
by eudamoniac
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- I have always been an AI quality sceptic. I don't believe quality software is coming out of these models, but I figured it would probably speed up the development of poor quality software. What's surprising is that is seems to not even be doing that. We've had three years of claimed "3x-10x productivity" which means thousands of people have had 9-30 developer years to do something. Where is that output? I haven't seen a single AI developed thing reach Show HN or anywhere else that was worth a damn.
So at this point I have to just assume this shit doesn't work very well for some reason, because no one is outputting anything with it that resembles good, useful software.
- I am so over it, its not interesting and none of the people participating in it really have any noteworthy skills. I spend more time lurking in lobste.rs these days than here.
- And this one will be different?
> At serious risk of sounding like a heretic here, but I’m kinda bored of talking about AI.
Umm.
> I get it, AI is incredible. I use it every day, it’s completely changed my workflow. I recently started a new role in a tricky domain working at web scale (hey, remember web scale?) and it’s allowed me to go from 0-1 in terms of productivity in a matter of weeks.
It’s all positives. So what’s the problem?
There isn’t a problem with AI. Of course. It’s just the discourse around it is “boring”. And the managers are lame about it.
And what has been the AI discourse for the last few years. The same formula.
- AI is either good
- ... or it is the best thing to have happened to Me
- But I have feelings[1] or concerns about everything around AI, like the discourse, or people having two-hundred concurrent AI agents mania
It’s all just grease for the AI Inevitabilism bytemill.
[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47487774
> … And yes, I’m painfully aware of the irony of a post about moaning about posts about AI. Sorry.
OP can’t even resign himself to being a Type. Sigh. “I know what I just did hehe”
Very self-aware.
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by internet2000
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- Not really? It's kind of a big deal.
- I am bored of Luddite people yelling at AI
- Talking about how you are bored about talking about the thing is still talking about the thing.