The attention this topic receives is disproportionate considering how rare we are, especially close to the Olympics level.

Most of us do sports for fun/friends and don’t care how they rank us, but would be sad to be banned.

There might be more “biological advantage” nuance with people just starting their transition, but by this many years in it feels silly. I registered as a man for the last event in case anyone might get upset, the staff changed it to say “woman” when I got there anyways, and then I lost to a woman twice my age.

Transgender athletes are not barred from women's events. Female athletes who identify as men, or otherwise do not identify as women, can still compete in this category, as they have been doing already.

What the IOC's new policy actually does is make male athletes ineligible for competition in the female category, with very few exceptions. These exceptions are for athletes who are technically male but have a disorder of sex development that confers no male advantage, e.g. CAIS.

You create, as a form of entertainment for the masses, an event for peak athletes to display their talent...by quirk of biology that means men.

You create a women's category to let them have their own entertainment niche.

You have in fact segregated sports, by gender, or sex, or whatever you want to call it.

Now there exist individuals who challenge the boundaries of this segregation. What do?

The realpolitik answer would be to segregate these individuals into yet another niche.

Of course the question arises, how many segregation categories to you create before it becomes all meaningless?

I see this topic come up repeatedly in different guises, protect women from the evil trans-agenda. But I haven't seen where this is actually a problem.

Do trans-athletes regularly out perform "born as" (not sure the best way to phrase it) athletes?

It’s an unfair advantage apparently. You know, like being born tall for basketball players. Curious how no other biological advantages are being policed.

They are also banning females from female sports as well with this ruling.

https://www.olympics.com/en/news/semenya-niyonsaba-wambui-wh...

is that in 100+ years of Olympics, there are ZERO elite athletes who were transgender

none

it's brought to you by the some of the very same people who want you to prove you are a citizen every time you vote

because there have been no previous cases of that either

However there are women who have given birth who will fail that SRY test

Because biology is messy, not black and white, never "on" or "off", there is always overlap

They tried this before in 1996 and quickly ended it by 2000 because the result was a disaster

It means that floor gymnastics is fair for *anyone* to compete in. None of this "wrong crotch shape" bullshit. Or intersex. Or trans. If you are good enough, you get in. If not, you dont.

And the whole trans argument would go away.

Means testing and gender means testing is a scourge. Time to be rid of it.

But, we should compare actual body parts that are relevant, for example I'm male but I'd not belong in male sports as my body is more feminine..

Still, it's not who you think you are that should decide, it's the body type so the competition can be more interesting as that is the point of sports anyway..

Remember, sport is and has always been about statistical outliers competing. Fairness has never been, and will never be, a genuine consideration.

It’s also mighty interesting how it’s always the male division that’s open, until you happen to have a sport where women are beating men at it, and then suddenly it’s the women’s division that’s the open one! (See shooting.)

Stuff like this is why professional sports is widely seen as a cheater’s club where everyone tries to cheat as hard as possible just shy of getting caught, then acts completely innocent and indignant when someone else just barely crosses the line into getting caught.

For that matter why not restrict rich athletes who have access to training and equipment that poor athletes do not?

The point at where the line is drawn is entirely arbitrary. Gattaca vibes.

Also, so many of these anti-trans efforts end up hurting cis women too, the ones who happen to look too masculine or have too high of testosterone.

Gender is not as straightforward as bigots and transphobes would like to think. I wonder how many cis women will be affected by this ruling because their chromosomes and hormones aren't within so called "normal levels"

https://shows.acast.com/realscienceofsport/episodes/whytrans...

If you want to see men dressed as women, watch "This is the Army" (1943), an American wartime musical comedy film that features actor Ronald Regan, and a lot of musical numbers performed by men in drag.

The more we protect women rights in sports, the narrower our definition of a woman gets

By 2030 would Olympic Committee ask woman that gain muscles too faster then the average woman not to participate? To make it "fair for real woman"?

While men are allowed the strongest competition and their unique builds are celebrated, woman are constantly limited by our genetics, hormone levels and chromosomes.

"Can't stray too far from an average it aren't fair for woman" is itself not fair for woman