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Do you want the US to "win" AI?

41 points by mefengl

by mindcrime

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> Do you want the US to "win" AI?
I don't want any one particular country, or organization, to "win" AI. I want AI capabilities to remain diffuse and spread out, so that everybody has access to approximately equal levels of AI. If anything, you might say that I want "Open Source to win AI".

by politelemon

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The contents of this post, in some parts, is somewhat alien to me. The need to pick a side, root for someone, and figure out a winner. It's very sports team like and detracts from the goals, effects and outcomes of the topic itself. It is entirely possible that there are no good and bad sides, nor is there any need for someone to win any kind of made up trophy.

by sph

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That investment chart is hilarious and terrifying. You Americans better hope this whole AI thing pans out.

by yomismoaqui

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I want open weights models to win AI, don't care if Satan himself does the training and finetuning.

by happytoexplain

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He praises a person for careful, nuanced takes, but then links to their writing where the first paragraph contains the sentence, "the human experience of art appreciation is indifferent to the source."

by rogermungo

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I suppose I'd rather the US wins AI as opposed to, say, China

by comrade1234

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I usually don't even know what ai I'm using at any one time. It's just a choice in my IDE between a bunch of different models, and I switch models every now and then when the response time slows down too much (usually when the Americans start waking up). I have no loyalty to any one product.

by aggakake

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It's weird to see geohot rooting against Elon considering his involvement in the early days following Twitter's acquisition.

by perarneng

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It would be interesting to see that chart per capita

by PunchyHamster

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There is no "winning". It already proliferates.
All US is doing is taking brunt of the cost of developing it

by motbus3

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I think this is a late realisation that people are having that none of those guys are good guys.
People passionate by science see rockets to go to mars, politicians see missiles and spy satellites.
I have a conviction that this was the intention all along. I really hope to be wrong about of this and there is a super good guy who will step up and stop all this nonsense.
I agree that the world where AI is a tool that everybody should have real access too should be the way, but history shows that power never came without oppression. Majority of people took all the risks as paranoia and/or do not have enough understanding.
The moment those tools became slightly better, they started to being used against the wills of everyone who helped building them.
We should stop believing that those folks in charge are good guys or simply doing mistakes. They are doing exactly what they have been working on for 10+ more years.

by oulipo2

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AI society is going to be:
- you, chained on your sofa, watching ads "tailored-made by AI for you"
- weaponized robots roaming the streets to ensure everyone is "at work" and not "at leisure activities"
- "no need to vote", of course, because "AI already knows what's good for you"...

by pu_pe

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The US single-handedly dominating AI at this point probably means a handful of tech overlords in charge of a surveillance society which depends on AI for everything, with some vague promises that everyone else will get some sort of allowance if they feel benevolent enough. For all existential risks discussed about ASI or whatever, having an oligarchy in complete control of this tech is maybe even worse.
So, I guess we all have to hope that more money does not necessarily lead to a "victory" here.

by hiddencost

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The brain rot required to call the EA people evil while praising the guy that did agree to give the Pentagon autonomous weapons...

by undeveloper

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i cannot believe people take this idiot seriously still. all he does is jerk off about being the coolest guy ever and then openly suck off yarvin while calling himself a progressive. he was aaaalllllll about the US winning the AI war against "foreign adversaries" (his (paraphrased) words) but suddenly when he divines the guy he voted for (after complaining about the stupid poors "51% attacking" (his (paraphrased) words!))) was a professional economy ratfucker he dips to hong kong and gets a citizenship there its alllllll about china. i remember this motherfucker's elon glaze as a self described "elon voter". how is this motherfucker even fucking relevant? i hope the end of his life is without a penny and with no one to remember him. my life is tangibly worse due to epstein-class weirdos like him.

by AntiUSAbah

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What i find interesting is the other article of geohot regarding AGI.
It seems that its financial possible for a handful of companies to learn everything.
It doesn't matter how we solve 'work':
It can be AGI, it can also be the already existing massive global scale Reinforcement Loop we all feed through using ChatGPT and co, it could be to compute RL or by buying experts teaching this knowledge to some AI system.
Companies also start to put the 'human' part into the agentic layer.
A while back anyone was somehow a benefit even if they did some kind of shitty work. Today i don't think this is true anymore. I would prefer to manage some avg ai than a shitty person.
This will and is already disrupting human lives.

by quater321

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Of course! That should not even be a question.

by deadbabe

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I don’t want the US to win anything ever again. They are a net negative in this world, obsessed with short term profits. Countries like China with long term objectives are better.

by chrsw

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I had an indignant gasp reflex when he called Cursor "random AI bubble crap" and I'm just a user.

by feverzsj

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It's like the largest scam in history. No one will win it except some scammers.

by silexia

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The author doesn't really address the question in the title.
Read "Superintelligence", we are basically racing towards the extinction of our species by creating a self generating alien intelligence that will quickly grow and escape any controls we attempt to place on it.

by AntiUSAbah

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After showing us that these people are willing to vote for Trump twice?
Having people like Peter Thiel over there who thinks daemons exist?
With Elon Musk having all social security numbers and no one cares about that? Or his blant disruption of democracy?
In china people disappear, true, but at least with China you know what you get. With USA its schizophrenia every 4 years and it wouldnt matter to me if suddenly my air travels are no longer possible due to Trump or i have to pay a lot more due to market disruptions.

by fcantournet

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Don't mean to make Americans sad but "the US" doesn't win AI, a few oligarchs win AI (if US companies end up winning).
The question is not US v China, it's Peter Thiel and Elon Musk vs literally anything else (that would be clearly better).

by keybored

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> By all accounts, I should be a neofeudalist. I should love what’s happening. The AI I dreamed of my whole life is being built, engineer-type strongmen are sort of in charge, and people are saying out loud the things I have just thought. You might argue that I like it and I’m just not happy with my seat at the table. I ask myself a lot if this is true, like what if I was Elon. Would I be enjoying it then from that position?
> Of course it’s impossible to know for sure, but I think I really wouldn’t. Even the ideal version, industrial megaprojects at hyperhuman scale while constantly being out over your skis with leverage sounds hellish. It’s not a society I want to live in, regardless of my seat. I would much prefer someone like this design society, with careful nuanced takes about technology.
Who writes like this? Hehe, my self-analysis says that I should be neofeudalist but I against the apparent odds am not. Congrats?
> It is coming, and the anti AI people would do poorly to bury their heads in the sand. Doing that won’t stop AI from being built. The good world is where everyone has AI, and not as a revokable privilege through an API, but through hard possession. Pay attention to who is releasing AI to the world and who has released nothing, then think about who the good guys are.
Who wants to follow these off the cuff rants? Oh right, the very reasonable move-to-Mars idea. But anyway, with regards to AI I hope the good tech bros win.
The tech bros from the same milieu where you openly muse about whether you are a neofeudalist, Church of Singularity Adherent, Rationalist, or whatever other Silicon Valley mind-degeneracy?
No thanks I don’t want any tech bro overlords. Bad or supposed good.
And people wonder why there is a partial backlash to AI?