by charles_f
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- It's interesting that we're so used to be tracked at this point that no one balks at being opted-in by default. A flag called DO_NOT_TRACK sounds like a good idea, but also suggests the default is CONSENT_TO_TRACK=1, and I find that creepy.
- No. It shouldn't be an opt-out, and it is bad practice to write conditional settings in the negative.
- I always choose to go with positive terms with variables etc, so this would then be ALLOW_TRACKING=0. It brings in some consistence and makes it easier to reason, as you get to avoid double negation.
Perhaps the "DO NOT TRACK" name is somewhat of an established term, though.
by PufPufPuf
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- This is set up for the same fate as DNT in browsers. Collecting all the "do not track" env vars into a single "do_not_track.env" file, however, may not be a bad idea...
- I was surprised how hard it was to stop the Python transformers library from phoning home to Hugging Face. I set HF_HUB_DISABLE_TELEMETRY=1, and when I called Wav2Vec2CTCTokenizer.from_pretrained I explicitly passed local_files_only=True, but still I got got a warning about not having a valid HF_TOKEN. It wasn't until I stumbled upon HF_HUB_OFFLINE=1 that I'm somewhat confident that I'm not making outgoing connections to HF every time I load a wav2vec2 model from disk.
I wouldn't have realized this was happening at all if it weren't for the obnoxious HF_TOKEN warning.
- For the record, Go’s telemetry is local by default (not uploaded): https://go.dev/doc/telemetry
- Looks like a helpful honeypot! Any tool that will public announce support for this spec is a tool I know to avoid because it collects telemetry without explicit opt-in in the first place.
- It's probably easier to run your own DNS and blacklist the offending domains. There are good blacklists with millions of telemetry domains, e.g. https://github.com/hagezi/dns-blocklists.
- While we wait for companies to very very slowly implement that proposal, is there a place that collects in one place all the opt out methods for most common tools in one place? Perhaps even a shell module that sets them and regularly updates its list?
- > Many CLI tools, SDKs, and frameworks collect telemetry data by default.
Any of those are using a dark pattern and before exploring new ways to opt out you should look for and spend your energy on an alternative which respects your freedoms upfront.
- Same thing has been suggested a few years ago and it went nowhere.
https://web.archive.org/web/20200613155957/https://consoledo...
- A GLOBAL do not track on the browsers works largely cause the target is all the websites being browsed and the tracking associated with it for advertising purposes. However telemetry is altogether a different thing, blocking it by default can be one idea, however using one standard variable to express the intent for all the tools is not practically viable
by LeoPanthera
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- The most useful part of this page is the list of optout commands to stick in my shellrc.
Is anyone maintaining a more complete list of those?
by 0123456789ABCDE
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- just sinkhole the domains
https://dpaste.com/E7RZ34MVD
https://github.com/StevenBlack/hosts
by CobrastanJorji
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- > We just want local software.
You just want local software to...send commands to your Cloud providers?
- It worked so well on the browser already
- I thought it would be a sh script to automatically set the flags for all known do not track env vars.
by PunchyHamster
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- The reason browser's DNT header failed is that they don't want to user to turn off tracking by default
The reason they will not adopt common env is that because they do not want it to be easy to turn off
by drayfield
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- Given the URL and list of different opt-outs I thought this was going to be a shell script to set all these for you.
In fact, I've just had an idea...
by 0xbadcafebee
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- I don't think there is any way to stop people from tracking you. Technically speaking, you can pretty much always be tracked. Even if you eliminated all third party requests you could still be tracked. Downloads, logins, queries, etc all can be tracked. Virtually all software now has the "continuously upgrade to the latest version" bullshit so you are tracked every time you open the app. Even if you turn it off, they stop the app from working until you upgrade, so they force you to be tracked.
I think the only solution is to make it law that you can't track anyone for any reason without their consent, and can't sell consensual tracking data without an additional consent agreement. It would be a huge blow to the advertising industry, so it will never be made law, but it's the only thing that would work.
by ivanjermakov
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- If solution was real, it would be DO_TRACK=1, not the inverse.
by koala-news
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- This goes against user experience, doesn't it?
by victorkulla
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- The issue is that it is not enforced. My version of My IP will tell you if 'Do Not track' and 'Global Privacy Control' are set by your browser but it is up to the website to honour your requests. Check if your browser is sending them by visiting: https://fshot.org/utils/myip.php
by jamietanna
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- Was wondering if there was a list of known opt outs as we are looking at a default opt out in Renovate[0] - we'll also look to set `DO_NOT_TRACK`
[0]: https://github.com/renovatebot/renovate/discussions/42932
by binaryturtle
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- This is just sad. Luckily I do not use any of the listed programs. I threw out Homebrew many years ago when they started this nonsense.
The only tool I have installed currently that does %/"($& like this is Deno (required for yt-dlp now). It phones happily home even if you wrap it into a wrapper script that forces the env variable (in no way I'll pollute my default environment with stuff like this):
$ cat /usr/local/bin/deno
#!/bin/sh
exec env DENO_NO_UPDATE_CHECK=1 /usr/local/packages/deno/latest/bin/deno "$@"
I wish bad dreams to whoever puts such crap into their software! Thankfully I have Little Snitch to catch most of those kind of invasions of my privacy.
- Domain blocking is my preference but I would imagine that trackers probably also try to weed out data that contains racism, sexism, lewdness or some combination thereof. People can get very creative with ASCII art. AI surely does not accept such things.
by buybackoff
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- No, it should be a required (by law) opt-in TRACK_ME_I_DO_NOT_CARE_OR_AM_A_TEAPOT=418.
The proposed way just normalizes tracking.
- Also this, we disable it when building or deploying apps in DollarDeploy
export SEMGREP_SEND_METRICS=off
export COLLECT_LEARNINGS_OPT_OUT=true
export STORYBOOK_DISABLE_TELEMETRY=1
export NEXT_TELEMETRY_DISABLED=1
export SLS_TELEMETRY_DISABLED=1
export SLS_NOTIFICATIONS_MODE=off
export DISABLE_OPENCOLLECTIVE=true
export NPM_CONFIG_UPDATE_NOTIFIER=false
- I'm old enough to remember Nancy Reagan just say no!I think this has the same effect.
by darkhelmet
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- I have some issue with how some of these are represented. For example, syncthing has an explicit opt-in request for telemetry / analytics. The suggested setting change is something entirely different - a call to ask what the latest version is. Granted, that server could log your IP address but that's no different to how it uses the relay and discovery servers that are also run by the same people - those could log the same way.
.. which is entirely different to the telemetry system where usage stats are reported. You can see that on data.syncthing.net. But again, thats a separate opt-in. The suggested env variable on the site won't turn that off.
by dnnddidiej
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- Love the idea but is an env var enough. Are there some sessions (docker?) that may not get it.
I'd prefer TRACK_ME as an opt in.
- You can also use network namespaces to simply block internet access for certain processes. It can even be finetuned with whitelists or blacklists.
- I'd be interested in,
1. a SOME-TRUST model: a list of opt-outs for the known software that collect telemetry; so that I can just paste that into an env file and be done with it.
2. a ZERO-TRUST model [preferable]: where I control if an application can send any telemetry data; instead of depending on a flag that the distributor may or may not respect.
by ninjahawk1
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- Privacy should be treated as a right, not something that can be abused for money. Love the idea of this
- It feels like this should be no_track, for consistency with no_color
by kstrauser
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- I’m morally opposed to the notion of optimizing the opt-out mechanism. I want a standardized opt-in mechanism, like:
export ALLOW_TRACKING=telemetry,crash_dumps
and the absence of such a setting means “fuck off, don’t spy on me”. It’s not my responsibility to turn off apps wanting to track me. It’s their responsibility to get me to authorize their specific flavor of tracking.
by internetguy
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- https://xkcd.com/927/
by varispeed
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- Default opt-in tracking should be illegal and enforced with such fines and prison sentences, that companies wouldn't even dare to have anything remotely capable of tracking in the runtime.
Unfortunately big corporations can always find away to make regulators see no problem.
- I'm sure this will be about as effective as putting yourself on the do not call list for domestic phone telemarketers, which has absolutely no effect whatsoever on overseas scam call centers.
by charcircuit
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- This does not make sense to support. Businesses that have proper privacy controls and security do not want to be lumped together with random shady apps and want users to explicitly opt out. Another issue with this header is that users could set it and then accidentally opt out of other sharing that they don't realize since this header is being set somewhere random. Standardizing on a per app basis way to revoke consent, along with showing privacy polices and measures the apps have put in place for guarding security would be a more sensible alternative that could gain traction.
- Honest question, what's the problem with crash dumps that include no personal info? They just help make the software less buggy. I also don't see an issue with anonymized usage patterns (this feature was used X times this month, this one Y times, etc).
Can someone expound on what they see as a problem?
- He’s better off vibecoding an include.sh that sets all the known do not track env vars for you.
- Am I the only one who also finds it comical that rejecting cookies requires a cookie.
by shevy-java
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- I personally do not use this. The reason is quite simple: I do not want to give out ANY information to external sites. Meaning, they could want to group me into "wants to be tracked" and "does not want to be tracked". I expect a general content blocker, which ublock origin is, to protect me from any malicious external actor, including horrible UI, such as nowadays google search has. I mean, just make a regular google search and then ask yourself why google places so many ads. Yes, ALL links to videos on youtube are also google ads - they self-promote themselves here.
We kind of need ublock origin on the operating system level - even more so as the new laws mandate age sniffing of everyone, tied to usage and access to the www (see the concomitant fight against VPN; that is the long road here, the "but but but the children!" is the lie, the cake, the carrot on the stick).
Ultimately one could ask "but the do not track thing is harmless" - the issue still is that I don't agree that my browser should betray me. Naturally since Google controls most browsers, can we trust Google? But, even aside from Google, can we trust other browsers? We need more diversity here again, but also more quality on every level. I consider the do_not_track as actually a you_will_be_marked and thus tracked.
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