- On one hand, all these mini interpreters and compilers are cool. I have a soft spot for extensible systems. On the other hand, all these things are a huge security problem. When every subsystem and data format is carrying around its own Turing complete bytecode and JIT, they all need to be secure and bug free for the system to be secure and bug free. And that far more code surface to keep clean.
- References for the Quake virtual machines:
Quake 1 had QuakeC: [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QuakeC [2] Hello world in QuakeC - https://www.leonrische.me/pages/quakec_bytecode_hello_world....
Quake 2 moved to native binaries.
Quake 3 had a new VM that enabled compiling regular C using LCC: [1] https://fabiensanglard.net/quake3/qvm.php [2] Spec - https://www.icculus.org/~phaethon/q3mc/q3vm_specs.html
- I was told by an engineer at Microsoft that Excel's formula interpreter is essentially a kind of bytecode-based stack machine. This came up in the context of a bug I found (while working on a project with Microsoft) that revealed that not only was there a small floating-point bug in some calculations, but (improbably, to me) that Excel preserved this inaccuracy across architectures for decades. So the bytecode interpreter made sense. That said, I've never seen this implementation myself, so it may still be rumor.
- How about the infamous iOS hack with a VM implemented in a JBIG2 PDF?
https://projectzero.google/2021/12/a-deep-dive-into-nso-zero...
- SBus peripherals use the Forth language in their PROMs to initialize themselves[1].
[1] https://docs.oracle.com/cd/E19957-01/802-3239-10/sbusandfc.h...
- Some other examples:
- ACPI configuration for power management and platform stuff [1]
- Bitcoin transactions [2]
- TrueType fonts [3]
[1] https://wiki.osdev.org/AML
[2] https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Script
[3] https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/typography/opentype/spec/t...
- More surprising to me than the BPF VM itself is the optimizing compiler for it that lives in libpcap.
by majorbugger
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- Does it mean we can play Doom on WinRar?
by pratikdeoghare
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- There is one in golang regular expressions https://swtch.com/~rsc/regexp/regexp2.html
I guess that is why you say re.Compile.
- These little VMs in applications are everywhere. Apple Mach-O binaries have built in opcodes for binding and rebasing symbols interpreted by (numerous) little VMs in dyld:
https://github.com/apple-oss-distributions/dyld/blob/e9da5ae...
https://github.com/apple-oss-distributions/dyld/blob/e9da5ae...
Their use is less common now since the introduction of the mach-o load command LC_DYLD_CHAINED_FIXUPS, but these opcodes still have to be supported for older binaries. Also, some popular compilers including Zig still emit these opcodes for LC_DYLD_INFO and LC_DYLD_INFO_ONLY.
- Busicom 141 PF calculator (1971). This was a product built on the Intel 4004 processor. It was not programmed using Intel 4004 machine langauge directly, but using a more powerful machine language for which the 4004 ran an intepreter included in the image.
- The Python pickle format is a bytecode [1], although not a Turing-complete one, I think.
[1] https://formats.kaitai.io/python_pickle/
by ivankelly
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- Quake had it’s own vm also
- Another World (Out of this world) game had its own bytecode [1]
[1] https://github.com/fabiensanglard/Another-World-Bytecode-Int...
by self_awareness
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- RarVM was used in a previous version of the format, newest RAR has removed it, and RarV5 doesn't have a VM.
- This list is entirely incomplete without mentioning Java Card.
There is a tiny Java Bytecode VM in an insanely large list of places, you can find some of them here:
https://github.com/crocs-muni/javacard-curated-list
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Java_Card
by ignoramous
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- TikTok shipping XOR cipher'd bytecode & interp is right up there: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34109771
- yt-dlp's jsinterp.py
https://jxself.org/compiling-the-trap.shtml
I've got subleq+eforth (https://github.com/howerj/muxleq) running in JS
which is dead simple to do. No input but I could output
ASCII mapping values to an array.
https://esolangs.org/wiki/Subleq
So, yes. yt-dlp runs propietary Youtube JS code defying the original purpose.
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