- It's interesting how anemic the use cases seem to be - we see the same things recycled over and over: "reword my email", "remove object from picture", "add a reminder", "summarise my text message which was already only 20 words long" etc etc. As if these are the major problems in people's lives.
I really feel like there's a fascinating valley of death between simple things that actually work and things of real value that are actually still beyond the horizon. They either aren't reliable enough, aren't accessible to the tech, or exceed the sophistication of our existing trust models. For example, I'm planning a trip. Booking a multiday holiday - there's a real beast that is time consuming, complex and painful. I test out the AI tools. They fail. Hard. Hallucinations all over the place, false confidence, inability to act, inability of me to trust their actions.
It's just nowhere near practical utility yet. Not "nearly there" but "not nearly half way there". I got the top tier of Gemini AI. Can it rent me a car? "As an AI I can absolutely guide you through the process of renting the car, but I can't physically access the web site or type in the details for you".
by jesse_dot_id
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- I didn't really see anything that knocked my socks off. Mostly, it's the promise that Siri now works in the way in which they said it would work a few years ago, when it didn't. I do like the addition of Siri in the context menu, though. I can see that being useful.
by speak_plainly
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- The demo Mike Rockwell gave at WWDC was interesting. He kinda showed off Siri as like the Star Trek computer for your phone. I hope this is the direction Apple is going to continue in. Having AI as a user interface is way more interesting than chat bots, image editors, or copy editing.
by akmarinov
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- None for the EU
Is it available in China at least or is this another “50% of the userbase gets nothing new in the OS update” year?
Edit:
https://x.com/wongmjane/status/2064052590992916840?s=46
Lol
- They promised Apple Intelligence with iPhone 15 Pro and more recent models.
Now [relevant parts of] Siri AI is restricted to iPhone 17 / iPhone Air and more recent models.
People who believed Apple and bought an iPhone 16 to use with Apple Intelligence are getting the shaft.
- I strongly believe Apple can win the consumer AI space. They have incredible distribution and hardware. They just haven’t executed at the application layer yet.
by kennywinker
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- The second slide on the site is… it’s gotta be a troll from some pissed off designer, right?
Screenshotted in case they change it https://imgur.com/a/n1I3z8g
- They’re adding vibecoded shortcuts (the high level scripting for Apple devices). Hopefully that means they worked out some of the long-existing bugs and missing features, but I’m not optimistic. Still, could be a useful tool, especially for less tech-literate people.
by mattmaroon
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- I switched from android to iOS 7 years ago and I’ve actually been debating going back just because of how bad iOS is at AI. And every other facet of my life, I am finding ways for it to save my time on an almost daily basis. And yet on iOS, just finding something from a text Message is still a nightmare.
Siri seems to rarely get better and sometimes actually get worse.
- >Fix passwords with a tap.
>The Passwords app alerts you to weak or compromised passwords and can update them on your behalf without the hassle.
Finally, I hope this works well. Personally one of the worst things to deal with.
by tanmaydesh5189
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- In Feb this year, when I analyzed KuzuDB's source code, I predicted Apple's reasoning to buy them was to introduce Siri with cross-app personal context. "..WWDC 2026 or 2027 introduces any “contextual intelligence” features in Siri that require cross-app relationship reasoning." https://medium.com/data-science-collective/i-analyzed-163k-l.... There is no confirmation on which tech is being used to achive that though
- Microsoft cannot compete in browser race and has to adopt Chromium.
Apple cannot compete in AI and has to adopt Gemini
Google is a really amazing company.
- No, I don't want Apple to read all my emails, text messages and photos. I'm probably not going to buy Apple devices any more if it really works like this, by default sending all your data into their cloud.
If I want to use AI, I want to be able to select the exact messages / photos which I want to send to it. Otherwise I expect the device to keep the data protected. I don't need any of these features either; I can remember if someone sent me a cookie recipe.
- This looks pretty promising to me. It will likely replace the need to set up OpenClaw for average personal users. The work of getting email, messages, and all the personal data on the phone as context seamlessly is not as straightforward as one might think.
I'm curious how the pricing will work. Would it be free up to some limit and then some subscription pricing? I can't imagine it can be free unlimited usage given the price of serving these models.
- The chatbots(ChatGPT, Claude et al) showed Apple exactly what can be done, the user base is already well primed. So this is a product definition done for them to execute. If done well they will be able to provide a much stronger integration into the day to day use cases than the chatbots, and can siphon off user time from them. This time around the end to end is easier with Apple Intelligence and more importantly llms doing the work Apple is floundering at. So I am hopeful, but I still see the os/app level integration as not enough in terms of functionality to make it a hit. The primary use case for llms is still conversations and search. Apple should be focusing on that aspect primarily and also add the os/app level integration as a bonus - as something only they can do. If they just do the latter, it will not be as much of a success. Let’s see how they execute.
EDIT: To provide meaningful chat functionality they have to either eat up the cost or charge a subscription for it. This will be first time they charge for Siri - a product that doesn’t garner any positive reviews. This gets even more interesting to watch
- > Aga sent you a message about Calanthea, a plant.
> Aga: have you heard of Calanthea? It’s a plant.
Really groundbreaking use of AI!
- I've not seen anyone discuss yet what kind of impact these AI features are likely to have on battery life. If they are running small on-device models, this will have a measurable impact on battery life with regular usage.
- Before they add AI they better fix the frigging search function in settings, it is horrible, you need to know their exact words, and Apple has a funny naming sense. Hierarchies nested so deep you never find anything. I come to use Claude or ChatGPT to tell me the right incantations to find a setting.
by minimaxir
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- I wonder how much of Siri AI is Apple-developed and how much of it is Google-developed as a result of Gemini. The a) search demos and b) image generation demos seem unlikely to have been done by Apple alone, the demos being closer to Google Search and Nano Banana respectively.
- To this day, Siri does not understand "Subtract 5 minutes off my timer" when having an active timer
- In English!? Someone please Apple that LLMs can deal with multiple languages at once without the old “go to Settings to configure your language”
- They should have changed the name as per branding. I hear Siri, I subconsciously associate it with really bad software.
- Quite possibly one of the most lackluster WWDC's I can remember. And I've been a fan of Apple/Mac since the late 80s.
Hmph.
That said, I'm THRILLED they claimed to "fix" the border radius snafu of Tahoe. Go ahead and push that now with the next Security fix. We won't mind at all.
- I placed eggs into boiling water and because my hands were wet I used voice and said "hey Siri, start a timer". It replied "you'll have to unlock your iPhone first", so I hovered my face over the bench the phone was sitting on, then the screen rattled and prompted for the numeric passcode. Ugh..
Using Siri essentially required me to use my hands anyway, so what's the point of voice?
I'd very seriously consider moving away from iPhone to a device that treats voice AI as a first class citizen (presently I mapped the 'double back tap' to open grok voice chat, and triple back tap to end it, which is a wonderful improvement over not having these, as you can do that pretty easily, even while driving etc).
by haritha-j
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- The only way Siri will meaningfully save my time would be if it could doomscroll for me. All of the things Siri claims to automate here would save me maybe a couple of minutes total over a week, wouldn't make the tiniest dent in my screen time.
by martin_drapeau
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- What is not demoed are basic AI capabilities I need today to effeciently use my iPhone. Examples:
- Siri, send the latest 20VC podcast to my watch. I'm going jogging.
- Siri, do not start Apple Music. I do not use that app. Start Podcast.
- Spell check and Auto-Correction on iMessage should support French and English. I switch from the 2 all the time.
- Etc...
I'm sure you guys have tons of others to list.
by himata4113
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- I read through the entire DMA rant that apple has here: https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2026/06/due-to-dma-siri-ai-de...
This feels like it could be solved with a list of permissions that the user has to turn on when using 3rd party AI.
Apple already:
1) requires developers to submit ID to publish an app on the appstore (at least I had to after ~1000 downloads to be able to publish an update)
2) has strong kernel enforced memory integrity and disallowes arbitrary code execution (unless explicitely approved for games like roblox, jitting not allowed tho has to be interpreted).
3) reviews every app update.
I feel like this is nothing more than Apple being angry that they have to allow people to actually choose what AI they want on their phone. This is particulary interesting if anthropic and openai decided they want to add siri ai override to their apps allowing them to take advantage of the apple ecosystem without signing some kind of deal like they had to with Google. I assume behind closed doors Google had to make some sacrifices for them to be the model powering siri.
- In my opinion, this is late by almost two years. This should have been the v1 when they first presented Apple Intelligence.
by insane_dreamer
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- So Siri is basically now a Gemini agent?
Our family uses Siri with a HomePod a lot, and it's already much better than it was a couple of years ago where it could basically set timers, tell you the weather. Now it answers questions ("when did the Knicks last win an NBA championship") with decent answers, instead of "I'll send the web results to your phone". But it's still far behind voice-chatting with Claude in the Claude app, so very much looking forward to this upgrade.
I will say though that proper voice transcription in Claude -- or any of these agents -- sucks. If it can't understand the question properly, then it can't provide the right answer. It works okay for me, but not for my kids, not when speaking quickly or in incomplete sentences (as people tend to do), etc.
by mittermayr
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- Coming this fall...
In "English" later this year...
We've heard that before, haven't we, Apple? I feel the right way to fix the trust issues would be to announce this when it's actually done. Like, here's Siri AI, and you can download and use it, right now.
by nobody_r_knows
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- This whole "coming this fall", "later this year", it's annoying. I miss the days when Steve Jobs used to say "and it's available right now, you can demo it in the hall outside, we're going ot make a billion dollars by tonight."
by baggachipz
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- > coming this fall
I believe we also heard that a couple years ago.
by OberstKrueger
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- > Available on iPhone 17 Pro, iPhone 17 Pro Max, iPhone Air, iPad models with M4 and later and at least 12GB of unified memory, and Mac models with M3 and later and at least 12GB of unified memory.
It’s really disappointing to see the on-device models being limited to so few devices. And this was after the iPhone 16 and 16 Pro were marketed so heavily with supporting their now failed effort at AI.
- The killer app would be a locally run Siri that learns about you and your preferences.
by simianwords
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- Here's what I want: natural language interaction to achieve complex workflows in iPhone. Example: find the cheapest way to go from A to B and book it using the Deutsche Bahn Train app.
I still don't think Siri can do that ::angry::
by micromacrofoot
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- The most notable thing here is that they finally have the primitives to make Siri actually useful across apps. I can't even use Siri to close Google Maps in my car right now.
- Why would they wait so long to launch this? With every passing day countless people further ingrain ChatGPT / Claude as their default chatbot...
by kingreflex
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- for olders iphone models - i am on 15 - are they allowing any sort of extensions? that would allow some apps to make use of of to build things like better speech recognition etc..
i was waiting for siri update and bummed it is not supported on 15.
when i use my native language (i mostly do it when in carplay) to search songs etc.. it gets it wrong a lot of times.
+ a more integrated into things like imessages, whatsapp etc..
- I wonder if Apple actually posttrained or at least finetuned this model or if it's just standard gemma. I feel it'd be bad practice if they didn't at least have some training atop it for apple's tools. Also you don't really hear much about apple's in-housed private compute servers anymore, did they get outmoded? I only hear about them using nvidia now.
by uni_baconcat
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- It looks useful. But the demonstration this year is way below my expectations. They barely show any live demo, even few screenshots.
- Will I be convinced to change my iphone 6s? #suspense
by reconnecting
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- Amazing how this time Apple found the `sweet spot` to release Siri AI when the letter combination A and I has fed up literally everyone.
by stingraycharles
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- Wait, I got an iPhone 15 Pro Max because supposedly it was compatible with Apple Intelligence. But now it’s not supporting this?
- I’m honestly surprised Apple didn’t retire the Siri brand.
At this point, “Siri” has a pretty strong cultural association with being underwhelming or unhelpful. Even if the new version is dramatically better, convincing people to give Siri another shot may be harder than launching the same technology under a new name.
Feels like a missed opportunity to reset expectations.
by gilbetron
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- I don't care much about Siri, and not a lot about Apple (other than as an investment), but Apple is generally really good about putting out polished tech, and so I'm curious if Siri AI will be up to their usual standards, because if so, it represents a significant usage of AI that has solved hallucination issues.
But that's a big If!
by rumblefrog
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- The automatically update of my compromised passwords on websites is very impressive, and I wonder how it's achieved.
- I sincerely hope this can all be disabled.
- Ready later this year... What I want from the phone are low-level APIs exposed to an agent I can talk/type to without lag. I wonder how long it will take or if a new AI phone will come before these features. I would love Siri working because Apple's design and hardware are good.
by ProofHouse
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- 'later this year' lol uh ya, ok apple (only had 3-5 already to make it even a 1-10 usable)
by ChrisArchitect
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- Associated post: https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2026/06/apple-introduces-siri...
- I wonder if they got around to the Finder date-sorting bug that's been around for about 10 years.
by sleepybrett
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- The one thing I've been trying to figure out / hoping will get a fix is that in the apple intelligence settings panel there is an 'extension' that allows it to use chatgpt. I would like to be able to have an extension for local models and/or custom apis.
- We heard a lot of things, but unfortunately, I'm pretty sure it won't work as expected.
- The screenshot about pho is funny to me. Bean sprouts are not a good source of fiber. Noodles are not especially healthy. The broth base is not fish sauce, nor is fish sauce where broth gets most of its sodium. Slop city!
- Apple's execution on AI is the worst of anything I can think of they have worked on in the past 20 years. It's embarrassing they announced this with a vague "coming this fall" when they basically have completely lost credibility in their ability to ship AI features considering it was initially announced YEARS ago.
I think a lot of it is the old "perfect is the enemy of good" with Apple trying multiple times now to announce this big basket of all these AI features supposedly coming all at once instead of just regularly shipping new useful AI integrations every month. There was so much easy useful shit that was immediately apparent as soon at OpenAI dropped that first big voice mode years ago coupled with basic app integrations. Particularly in the context of the AI labs that are operating in that lane almost too much where it seems a new model or mode comes out every two weeks.
by ftth_finland
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- Please don’t suck.
by loloquwowndueo
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- The only thing I want to know about this new Siri is how to turn it entirely off.
- If that Siri orb fails to respond after this release, I'm done with Apple.
by BonerWiener
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- > Create useful shortcuts with ease, update passwords with just a tap, and find relevant emails faster than ever
Can't wait for unexpected password updates and naughty mails accidentally sent to my boss...
- Here's hoping they've finally fixed iOS's terrible dictation.
- There's only one thing that matters, that Siri would become an independent app that can see through its calling histories, which should have been done since the first day it launched.
by renatovico
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- the same :'( what i really expected from Siri,
- Siri please suggest an organization for this folder
- Siri over my last work in this app can summarize what i am struggle ?
Pro active:
- Hey, the last hour you exchange 30 mails from the same subject, i look with your team ai and all have same struggle, based your key points in communication is X,Y,Z, this an mail for final align
- Your and your partner don't have quality time in last day, i see has the seat available in your favorites restaurant for next hour do you want made an appointment ?
by 2001zhaozhao
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- > Private Cloud Compute
> Your data is never stored
> Used only for your requests
> Verifiable privacy promise
Apple is cooking. Although at that point might as well bring the cloud features to more devices. Yeah it costs more but also locks users in harder.
- It’s weird it says I can ask Siri about a document in front of me but can I ask it about a webpage I’m currently reading?
(It’s been driving me crazy there’s no “AI this” button to discuss whatever is on my screen.)
- They better make it really good. Most kids get their facts from it. One has to argue with their kids when it gives wrong information.
87% US teenagers own an iPhone. ~35% teens own an Apple Watch.
- They are very far behind, this doesn't feel like catch up.
- Hopefully it’s an app that can be uninstalled on macOS, where I use almost none of Apple’s own apps, yet are prevented from removing them (unlike on iOS).
- Apple Shortcuts have felt like a blatantly obvious AI play to me for a while now.
The interface for creating them manually has been so bad for so long, it feels clear to me that LLM-driven shortcut orchestration was always the endgame. Apple built up their ecosystem of composable "tools", and then trained an LLM on how to call them.
The result, IMO, is the first OpenClaw/Hermes competitor that's feasible for use by the general public.
Everyone with a paid Claude or ChatGPT that they're struggling to use to the fullest is going to have very little reason not to swap over to an upgraded iCloud+ plan (if they don't already have one). I suspect we're going to see mass cancellation of $20/mo plans very soon.
OpenAI's timing for removing their temporary increased usage limits is looking pretty unfortunate...
- How come Apple has become so slow in shopping compared to equivalent companies like Google and Microsoft
- Hm, second try? And Siri AI again without dates. First time it was also “later” but was postponed for how many years?
- No mention of making my homepod mini “Truly helpful”, so I’ll stick to just sticking timers, I guess.
- A multi trillion dollar company not able to create open apis for competition … definitely the EUs fault
- The ability to tap into on-device foundation models within apps is pretty baller. The rest is banal
by alex_young
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- Does this not work with HomePod? How is an AI voice assistant not compatible with the smart speaker?
- __Truly helpful__ it's funny to think about reasons people put these words there
- Siri AI is a mouthful… they should have kept it simple and stuck with Siri
- How is this different from the chatgpt apple intelligence thing from last year?
- Its wild to me that people use those apple emoji people. It looks so bad.
- We need Siri API. Features like this are nonsensical in an era where I can wish up any feature or workflow for an app.
People outside HN will begin to expect they can do anything with a computer in the same way they expect to be able to say anything in a support chat. Using pre-LLM automated chat feels like a joke. You enter the chat expecting to having a conversation and instead you get a GUI phone tree.
This is exactly how it feels to use any of the AI tous from Big Tech and others.
We have entered the era of deeply personal computing. There are so many incredibly personal features that no mega corp could ever be expected to build. Now that lay people can build things, let them!
There's a podcast that I listen to which is translated to a bunch of different languages. It's exclusively on Spotify with no RSS feed. I have a cron that checks daily passes it to an LLM and notifies me as necessary. I did not code a line. I only set up an OAuth endpoint.
Enabling your customers to do things like this will make them incredibly sticky too! So please for the love of God, let me glue Siri into whatever I want.
by idontwantthis
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- If this is good, I might finally ditch my 12 mini.
- Does the UK get this new AI and not the EU?
by CrzyLngPwd
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- Great, as long as I can switch it off and use my phone as I always have, I'm happy for them.
I can't wait to take a photo of a cricket ball and ask it what it is, ffs.
These people need to get out, touch grass, watch trees swaying in the breeze, and put their phones down before they lose toonmany neurons.
by AndrewKemendo
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- How many companies did they just Sherlock?
- They are a few years late to the party
by jdthedisciple
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- pardon me but I'm not getting it, what's new or exciting about it (supposedly)?
- Honestly I don’t have much faith in Apple intelligence when it can’t even search my settings.
- My number one question is can I turn this shit off? I don’t want AI infecting and having access to my whole fucking life. They don’t say anything on this marketing page.
by aucisson_masque
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- Week if its like the current apple intelligence feature,I don't care if we don't get in the eu.
- More or less stuck AI in all the obvious spots, which will probably be fine I guess. Not super exciting!
by gregorygoc
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- Can Apple now focus on rolling back Liquid Glass “upgrade”?
- > We’re deeply disappointed that our EU users won’t have Siri AI on iPhone or iPad when we share our new software releases later this year
I really enjoy this lag. Apple with the whole DMA made iPhone completely dull to my eyes. Previously? Updated yearly. Now? 3+ years without replacement and probably will stick to it for next 2-3 years.
Sure maybe in US Apple is fun. But in EU it's.. boring (and not like a Golang boring, just boring)
- It's bananas to me that people want to put LLMs in critical software paths when the 2nd most valuable company on Earth can't do more than the most basic shit with them. Like, look at this list of actions:
- Take a selfie
- Create a reminder
- Call Vicki
- Rotate photo left
- Create a new event (do you create an old event?)
- Send an email
- Resume my podcast
- Create a note
- Add photo to album
...can't iOS do literally every one of those things already? What the fuck is happening?
- This is disappointing. I had hoped when Apple revisited AI that they would lean into agents more and give us some sort of agent interface between the phone and a model running locally on your Mac at home. More niche for sure, but much more powerful. Instead we're getting more generic AI tie-ins to apps and "suggestions".
- For real this time...
by hmokiguess
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- missed opportunity to call it "VibeSiri"
by rambojohnson
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- sloppy mc-slop. dogshit nobody needs. AI is innovating horizontally, like web frameworks.
by curvaturearth
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- Hey look! Here's something new that we could already do but now it costs more and takes more engineering and.. AI
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- Apple's "New Coke" moment?
- all the limitations of on-device with none of the benefits, it seems? they gotta get SOMETHING out there and soon but idk, i would probably feel safer running a chinese model through a 3P iOS app shell vs. trusting Geminiri to not snitch if i cared about the sanctity of my personal information.
by andrewstuart
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- I go on long walks and talk to ChatGPT in depth in its conversation mode about programming and computing in depth.
That’s what I expected from Siri but you can get in from ChatGPT .
- Newest phones get latest models
Genius way to sell more phones
Really they are just selling on device Ai
- I like the idea for normal people. Day to day usage who ignore hallucinations is a big market.
> Siri AI coming in English later this year.
Strange way to phrase it, but okay.
> Siri AI will be available In beta later this year and requires an Apple Intelligence–enabled device set to a supported language. Available in English to start. Siri AI will not initially be available in the EU on iOS and iPadOS.
Ah okay, not EU enabled. The only reason for this, in my tinfoil hat, must be for data farming.
by ForOldHack
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- I was at Best Buy in the Apple section, and I asked its AI "What is the best value in four year old MacBook pros." It pointed me directly at an over-under washer dryer for $3400. Quite obviously, it was trained, like a drooling puppy by Madison Ave.
Wait... don't tell me... there is an App for that.
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