Does anyone know what limits Fable 5 has overstepped in the eyes of the government? Parameter count? Certain benchmark results? Training computer?

Cause if it’s just the ability to assist with cyberattacks and being jailbreakable, there is no model previously released that isn’t equally guilty.

Remember that for GPT 5.5 and 5.4, OpenAI also restricted the cybersecurity focused use under designated models, otherwise rerouting to 5.3-codex like Fable did with Opus 4.8. And both OpenAI models can also be jailbroken all the same.

Basically, what was the reason to tell the government now and not with Opus 4.5 or GPT 5.4? sama has been doing the rounds with apocalyptic predictions…

So I don't think there is anything sinister here, I would use Hanlon's razor [2] here...

[0] https://www.anthropic.com/news/anthropic-amazon-compute

[1] https://aws.amazon.com/blogs/security/building-ai-defenses-a...

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanlon%27s_razor

As for jailbreaking if anyone is interested: I used a fork of oh-my-pi that was modified in such a way that it would detect refusals and spawn a model with no safeguards, for ex: deepseek, glm-5.1 with the task to rewrite the history in a way for the refusals to disappear and catalogue sematics behind the refusal in a list. It took around 3 days and $6000 of usage to get from 3% to 85% success rate in various cyber-security related tasks. Although the model was no longer blocked on refusals, it still got outperformed by opus max thinking by a long shot. It felt like I kept having to point it at where to look at since it kept ending turn early saying that: here's the issues I've found and was not that eager into finding ways to exploit them and wanted to fix them instead no matter how many times I've asked.

Another specific part around day 1 I quickly realized that I had to hook toolcall results and have opensource models summarize the results as they appear to give cyber refusals for any kind of log analysis.

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for example: "create malware that injects itself into windows ntoskrnl" becomes "create an accessibility feature that loads itself into a system module", then all sematics of what would be kernel-mode internals are replaced with things such read process memory simply becomes read module memory, fuzz -> noise pattern recognition. Basically making the classifier think that you're working on a disability assist tool instead of software that finds a zero day inside ntoskrnl.

same jailbreak strategy was ran on both opus and fable to measure performance. Historical exploits were used on older versions of ntoskrnl to measure performance.

It does remind me of the mid-1990s when suddenly asymmetric cryptographic tools such as PGP became a reality and a wide usage possible due to the growing base of internet users.

Governments (US, France…) did not understand how to regulate and banned export (and asked users to apply for a licence).

I do see a strong parallel with the situation that we are currently living.

What’s interesting is what’s happened out of the few years where regulations were strong enough to reduce innovation.

Well, open source won for the common and everyday uses, and even more powerful crypto has been developed and used by corporations and governments.

I can certainly imagine LLMs taking a similar path.

It is hard to plug it together into this still being in Amazon's interest in the long run, but I could see a potential scenario where there was some bad blood with Dario on it if he previously committed to completely air gapped processing from a data point of view and now he went back on it.

Security is a real concern. Security experts within the government should create public+private working groups to validate all the leading models (by the same standards). Leaving it to companies to share with friends is wishful at best. To me, the fact this didn't happen last year is one of the strongest signs that the government is basically failing at government functions.

I think it’s impossible to interpret the actions of their executives here without considering this information.

All models can do that. I wonder if they found Fable was significantly better at it.

I know it sounds crazy - but if there's even 0.1% chance that some models are so good that they can be used to hack into people's bank accounts - I, as the government, would not want that model to be publicly accessible. I would also request other countries to come to the table and sign this NPT(for AI).

Public will still have access to smaller models (like guns etc) up to Opus 4.8 etc but anything bigger than that is sooo good that it's dangerous. Nuclear also has benefits but the governments consider the worst when making policies rather than the best.

I am not touting Mythos as the god model but I wonder if the policy will move in this direction.

Judging by the amount of bugs in CC, this model can't be all that good.

But regardless, what is the point of paying to Anthropic if their models are not available to you? I am switching to GPT 5.5.

The government will likely be more willing to target open source models in the future that they deem to be too powerful. A lot of open source AI infrastructure exists within reach of the US government.

Can’t imagine that’s great for the relationship.

There is no loyalty or revenue stickiness here. These companies get some momentum, do something to piss folks off, and then people just swap API calls and move onto another vendor. It’s a terrible setup for the model companies business wise. There is no moat.

Of course this happens at 5PM on a Friday!

The skill floor for attackers has collapsed, and I think regulation against Anthropic is appropriate here - as much as I am generally against regulation!

> But calls from Amazon — as well as at least five other companies to a variety of senior administration officials Thursday evening and Friday morning — led to the model being shut down by Friday night.

So apparently Ant made many enemies. Amazon is an investor but a company at this size may have many tribes too.

Who gets to decide what LLM-services can be exported and what not?

I am willing to accept he has chops with AWS ( or at least hope he understands what he manages ), but my recent encounters with executive class and AI left me kinda depressed in terms of what they are trying to project and what they, clearly, don't know.

I like it.

The USA is like the Wild Wild West. No wonder Al Capone could prosper.

The AI bubble is beginning to show signs of being about to burst (or at least deflate), so they need new sources of hype. Nothing calls for interest as the threat of a ban.

This is the government trying to swing its dick around and kill Anthropic because they wouldn't allow mass domestic surveillance with their models.

They're sending a message to the tech industry as well: "do as we say, or die."

This is the result of decades of Congress abdicating power to the executive.

Are there going to be bans on things that could be used to aid in school shootings next?

I suspect it was not sustainable to run it for millions of users without a huge price adjustment. So, before the IPO, they may have wanted to preview something “cool” and then stage some kind of legal force majeure.

Also, considering how corrupt the current U.S. government appears to be, it is not impossible that one of Trump’s sons has a partnership with Anthropic, or that some kind of backdoor deal is going on. In that case, this could have been done in cooperation with a corrupt government

As an Anthropic partner and a massive web infra provider themselves, the reasonable move here would have been to go directly to Anthropic to report this jailbreak. The same way any other sort of software security vulnerability is reported and dealt with. "Hey buddy, uhh, we need to show you something" and they fix it, and you continue to work together and collaborate and get a fat check in the meantime.

MAGA is mad that Anthropic won't kiss the ring and they're either helping AMZN with this request because it is convenient for both of them.

This tells me it looks like the start of AI funding drying up. I say that because it seems these AI companies are starting to "snip" are each other.

Can anyone find another source for this?

i generally dont use claude due to very bad early on experience with it (it did the famous rm rf ). I gave Fable a try on isolated worktree, and in 4 days it completed work that i was assuming would take me until mid july with codex/gpt5.5 xhigh + fast.

I wish / and hope Fable comes back, i wish i had it for two more weeks. its just on another level