by matsemann
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- Something similar happened recently in Norway. A tourist was found severely cold in the mountains, in a storm where extracting him took hours. After a while hypothermia got to him, his heart stopped, and only 8 hours later they got it starting again, was technically dead for 20 hours. In this case, it looks to have gone well with the person afterwards.
They say you're not dead until you're warm and dead.
News article https://www-nrk-no.translate.goog/vestland/nye-tal_-turgaare...
Recount of the story https://www-nrk-no.translate.goog/vestland/xl/turgaaren-var-...
- That is incredible. 2.5 hours underwater, 1.5 hours of CPR. They were instructed not to start rewarming him until he could be given more comprehensive treatment at a hospital. They list 'death' as a differential diagnosis...
He didn't come out unscathed though. They describe his progress:
> At 6-month follow-up, he was giving short commands, standing without support, riding a tricycle, eating soft foods, and relearning simple tasks. Peripheral neuromuscular weakness continued to improve.
which is quite limited for an 8-year old, but remarkable considering the circumstances.
by isoprophlex
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- "Survival" here being, of course, not a black-and-white thing:
> Outcome and Follow-Up
> On day 59, the boy was discharged to inpatient neurorehabilitation. At 6-month follow-up, he was giving short commands, standing without support, riding a tricycle, eating soft foods, and relearning simple tasks. Peripheral neuromuscular weakness continued to improve.
- Reminds of Chris Lemons, who survived for 30+ minutes without oxygen at the bottom of the North Sea. Cold water (and experience, like staying calm) probably played a large part.
He went back to diving a few weeks after!
They made a movie about it:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Last_Breath_(2019_film)
by theturtlemoves
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- I'd be curious to read about 1, 2, 5, 10, 20 year follow-up.
Party pooper warning.
I'm afraid I don't have rose tinted glasses, due to personal experience with a family member with TBI (accident at age 16, 3 weeks in a coma). The aftereffects are profoundly destabilizing to his environment. I sometimes have quite a dark view of people's need to be a rescuer and celebrate the "alive!", when they don't have to deal with the next 40-60 years of living...
by usernametaken29
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- I remember that cryogenesis was deemed viable in the 80ies but essentially surface area is your enemy. Anything larger than a cat can’t be resurrected. It’s pretty bizarre really, they froze mice and microwaved them back to life.
- They’re not dead until they’re warm and dead.
- > As the patient's temperature approached 22 °C (72 °F), low-frequency and low-amplitude sinusoidal electrical deflections were noted on his electrocardiogram.
Dunno about you, but this does things to me.
by echoangle
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- As a layman, it’s kind of surprising that they attempted to CPR someone that long in this situation. If I pulled someone out of the water 2h after they went missing and they were cold to the touch, I would probably call the police and wouldn’t even ask for an ambulance.
- I was rewatching The Abyss for the first time since 1989 and wondered just what is the process for reviving an asystole heart[^1].
[^1]: It was only relatively recently that I learned you can't shock an asystole heart. e.g. https://medicalsciences.stackexchange.com/questions/5874/can...
- Not the same thing of course but when our cat got sick with blood parasite, her blood turned to very diluted cranberry juice color and the body temperature dropped to almost room temperature(38C is the normal for cats) and the vet was double and triple checking the readings because it didn't make sense still being alive. After a few hours we were able to arrange a blood infusion and intensive care and by the morning she was "fine".
By "fine" I mean alive, for months her character was much different. It took almost a year to return to its true behavior and enjoy the things she used to enjoy before. Even then she has much lower tolerance to unsolicited cuddling than before.
The vet speculated that the low temperature was what kept her brain alive since the blood almost completely lost the ability to carry oxygen as a result of parasite attacking the blood cells(her initial symptoms were shortness of breath).
- Incredible. I wonder if they can make progress on survivability of regular drowning.
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anna_B%C3%A5genholm
- Reminds me of the extended description of what it might be like to drown in an ice lake in the book Stella Maris — it wouldn't be quick.
- How many people have died because the people who could've saved them didn't think it was possible to save them?
- Well written article. Life is a miracle. We are trying to understand it & there is more to learn everyday. I remember a couple of years ago, a 50yr patient (someone I know) was saved from a severe heart attack using induced hypothermia and recovering them slowly.
- As the say goes, "you're not dead until you're WARM and dead."
Still, that recovery sounds rough on everyone involved.
- 147 minutes under and they brought him back. Every time I read a cold-water survival case I'm amazed all over again at what the body can pull through.
- Wim hof has a similar childhood story (maybe not quite as extreme)...
by looofooo0
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- I am sceptical about the 147 minutes, the child could have still clinging onto the ice and just drowned a minute before the parents reached the pond.
by knights_gambit
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- Do you give slow CPR in these cases?
by TacticalCoder
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- Which is why some doctors/scientist explained --and it's been at least tested but I don't know if they managed to get enough data to confirm-- that in ambulances there should always be ice and a device to put all around the head, to keep the head cool with the ice.
Not only for survival but to lower the risk of permanent brain damage after incidents.
It's nothing new and I wonder when it's going to be taken more seriously as an emergency response as obviously there is something going on here.
- Why are we not told how deep the pond was and confirm the % body submersion?
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by OhNoNotAgain_99
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by bedatadriven
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- There was some medical terminology that I didn't understand. The NotebookLLM podcast version is disturbingly good: https://notebooklm.google.com/notebook/21c5eddb-ada4-4726-85...
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