This is a horrible future to consider.

The more I think about it, the more I come to the conclusion that a society that bans ads is a healthier, more robust society, and I am not alone.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43595269

If you are looking at upvotes as a measure of support OpenAI: Don’t.

Now, this is the sort of rock-solid commitment to trust and safety that steadily gets worse every year until you go from old Netflix to Poob with ads. But the water's still fine. As a frog, let me tell you, it doesn't feel hot at all.

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Feels like a really easy decision when it's framed this way.

If the same engineers worked on this that also worked on the ad deliveries, we're about to get either the best deal per click of the century, or the worst!

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Why make your fake example show a failed ad placement? You could have shown anything!

> Why don't you let me fix you some of this new Mococoa drink? All-natural cocoa beans from the upper slopes of Mount Nicaragua. No artificial sweeteners. I've tasted other cocoas. This is the best.

  The shareholders won't be happy.

  It's not our job to make them happy. 
  It's our job to make them money, 
  but once we launch this little baby, they're gonna flip!

  We call this Pure O2. 
  This is the first of our planned upgrades. 
  Once we can roll back some of Halliday's ad restrictions, 
  we estimate we can sell up to 
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This was a few weeks ago and I didn't have time to dig in, so might try again later this month when I do.

Of course, I make no claims about how far in the long one will need to look to see that play out.

Well, obviously that would have to change. I think really nailing a great P2P chat app would be a game changer that keeps things local-first. You should be able to talk to one or more AI models with it. There's still a lot of demand [4] for anonymous chat and that would be a great place to start too. I personally think chat shouldn't even need its own app - it should all take place in the browser.

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45663913

[2] https://www.livebitcoinnews.com/telegram-to-launch-native-no...

[3] https://share.gemini.google/lkVcBamQm6ZJ

[4] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48980167

OpenAI launched ads nearly 6-months ago.

Here’s the HN thread with 330 comments from then:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46949401

Considering I'm paying 20 cents per click elsewhere, this could get real expensive, real fast.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQRu7DdTTVA

I wonder if we can do that thing that guy did on Facebook a long time ago-- buy an ad showing how much you are being tracked, something like "Hey user X, we know you are based in london, uk and we know you are age range XX etc etc"

I would have expected this to happen post-IPO.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_People_(Black_Mirror)

In a world where agents are searching, building, and signing up for services, how do you advertise your product?

And not just advertise in traditional sense (ads in ChatGPT), but general marketing and awareness of what you're offering. Google search ads? Agents aren't using Google. Launch on Reddit for humans and hope your post gets scraped? Write up a bunch of marketing blog posts and wait for LLMs to ingest your content and have it feed into the next generation of models?

I honestly didn't quite know. If I were to launch a product today, I'd want it to be agent focused. But then how do you tell them about your product? Do these ChatGPT ads get returned if Codex does a web search? Is that good? Bad?

https://youtu.be/IbG-JGdGniY

(Watch the whole video, it’s remarkable)

What else: the right medication for an overdose? The right fertiliser for an improvised explosive? The possibilities for adverts with that all-important long tail of earned media news coverage are endless.

ETA: in all seriousness… will an LLM decide on which ads to place? And will it be the primary chat LLM (modifying the system prompt) or will it be a summariser (like the title summariser models)

It's barely free, not that reliable, not the most trustworthy, and now they are popping ads right on my face.

Either spending a good money on the best one, or using the open source models seem to be the future.

https://news.ycombinator.com/from?site=ads.openai.com

As per the press release, it opens up a screen which takes up 90% showing the new site.

It's not a good browsing experience, as it's not a 100% full screen so smaller on an already small phone screen. Couldn't see a 'open in browser' option.

    > # Do ads influence the answers ChatGPT gives me? [0]
    > No. Ads do not influence ChatGPT’s answers. Ads run on separate systems from our chat model, and advertisers have no ability to shape, rank, or alter ChatGPT’s responses. Ads are separate and clearly labeled.

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[0] https://help.openai.com/en/articles/20001047-ads-in-chatgpt#...

[1] https://help.openai.com/en/articles/20001207-ads-in-chatgpt-...

This incentive is inevitably going to lead to ad supported LLM's not answering questions properly the first time so more ads served.

I am guessing in voice mode they will also have voice ads.

https://youtu.be/buVDDbjFCBc?si=CVV9POv3m3mVw47u

Let the tiger show it's stripes so that we are reminded what it is actually after.

Now they are trying to quickly boost revenue with ads.

Next, IPO?

If I ask for deep research on which running shoes to get, it's the comparison of products I'm after. Why is A better than B, etc? I don't see how adds could come into that scope either, unless ChatGPT somehow is lying (which would make me swap to a better non-hallucinating model).

If I ask "who is the most influential Swedish poet" and ChatGPT starts blabbering about some book-company who sells books from that author: okay, maybe I do want to buy it.

So: what's the problem?

The profit motive for openAI becomes "attention". (Advert effectiveness is about impressions made to viewers belonging to relevant cohorts, under the presumption the relevant ad will receive more viewer attention, and "perform" better.)

Previously it was "correctness" , I assume.

Their monetization compromises their product.

Ah –– Delicious. What can I help you with today? Would you like me to help you find a new car? I can book a test drive of the new Mercedes C class at Prestige Motors 4pm tomorrow.

It's one of the 2 endgames of all companies involved in the AI race:

- ADS

- make the users that pay for tokens find a PMF for a product/service and then make the product/service their self

I didn't see any mention of prices, click rates, conversion rates compared to other type of ads, like search ads.

I assume it's going to be bidding based too?

Ideally AI should scrape 400 different competing websites, those that have well-designed llms.txt files based on my query should rise towards the top, no?

I understand this is incredibly oversimplified but something like that should be the goal.

Reminds me back in 2006 when we were running MySpace layout websites and making almost $100,000 a month from Google and Yahoo ads as teenagers.

LLM inference is a commodity. Do people care where it comes from?

It’s like 2015 facebook again.

I really hope Anthropic doesn't follow, but I assume they will eventually because why wouldn't they? Google and Meta obviously will, with great enthusiasm.

Open models are the only hope, I guess.

But it's always been the case that initial bidders overpay for ads.

And ads it is

Best not buy the IPO shares I think

I hope my comment ages like unpasteurized milk on a hot summer day, but I’m afraid it will age like an sp3 hybridized allotrope of carbon.

This will help subsidise the cost of tokens leading to a cheaper experience for me (a consumer). Adblockers will come out for those in the know, and ChatGPT are not blending the advertisements WITH the answers.

Anybody getting angry by this clearly has never been in business because this is just par for the course.

That said a lot of the heavy AI users I've met seem to consume massive amounts of ads and allow said ads to influence them already despite their insistance to the contrary. I'm not going to claim that I am immune to propaganda here and act like I'm somehow above falling for it as well, but...

... well, there have been times where those people have quite literally parroted all the claims an ad made about a particular product word-for-word and then proceed to fight me to the death over whether or not they're quoting said aforementioned ad despite the fact that they keep regurgitating the made-up words (for this example lets say 'scrubbing bubbles') that aren't /actually/ a thing.

So who knows; maybe it'll work... but uh I can't say I know anyone that uses chatgpt anymore lmfao.

but amazon. anything that has to do with buying has mostly been captured by amazon.

but will see what the future holds.

If Chatgpt can make ads that are as good as Instagram's then it would take some of the sting out.

Will you trust OpenAI to provide information contradictory to advertisers about drug side effects?

Will you trust OpenAI to explain your rights when dealing with insurance companies?

I could think of more examples, but imagine when Amazon gets a hold of this. Ads are just a terrible bad terrible idea.

We have put the least imaginative people alive in charge of the world.

So how can they target me specifically?

Unless of course they do not honor the agreement...

For me it's also not a problem. An ad is easily spottable, because an ad tries to make you buy something.

I still find it funny. Looks like one of the last straws to pull...

We've seen it with Google, money is too hard to resist. Enshitification is coming !

Thanks god for the open Chinese models, they are the future. All hail the CCP.

Which accounts to approximately 8.02% of the global population. Or 37.9% of world nominal GDP. Based on ChatGPT.

- financial anxiety + kelshi

- random cooking question + galaxy gas

- suicidal thoughts + shotgun

If, as an advertiser, I wanted to know how many people are asking or talking about REFRESHING SODA, can I get an estimate of the potential reach of an ad? Can I filter by gender and age, so I can see how many of gender X and age Y are asking about REFRESHING SODA? Actually forget about the soda, Ok Computer, show me the top 10 topics of conversation among middle age male adults with purchasing power.

The naïve prediction is that advertisers will advertise the product to ChatGPT users. I believe that users will tell ChatGPT about their desires, and advertisers will create products for them.

Also, this looks like a last-ditch effort to grab as much as they can before they get crushed by the open models and Anthropic.

They took that from Google!

Aka acceptable ads.

Funny how they always drive and thrive on pestering people.

Related from April:

Ads in ChatGPT FAQ

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47716063

Now for the crash

I finally freed myself from Google using Kagi instead

I don’t currently use OpenAI but if Claude pulls this shit too I’ll have a problem on my hands

Funny, all the ads I've seen so far are so unrelated to my chat query that is laughable.

I thought it was random placement, but if there was supposed to be an effort behind that ... damn, quite an incompetent team.

Edit: And here come the downvotes from the OpenAI bots/lovers.

This surely is saving the world and benefiting humanity. /s

But almost certainly someone somewhere is building an ad-blocker to rid of the ads. We'll see.